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United Healthcare CEO murdered in NYC midtown

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Dec 4, 2024.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    Yeah, Americans have a culture of rebellion. What's that Jefferson quote about it?

    I guess the political difference is that "right-wingers" will use those slogans as a threat before the fact (if it ever happens), while "leftists" jump on them after an event.

    In the scheme of choosing which turd sandwhich is better... showering threats but not carrying out the violent act is way more preferable than jumping on a circumstantial tragedy with signalling of "more to come"
     
  3. Tomstro

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    Did it take the murder of the CEO for you to realize that these health insurance companies are evil? Surely no. That conversation and the impetus for change have always been there. There is a lot of blame to go around for it too. Like the CEO’s, the majority shareholders, the politicians, the government, the American people etc. Change could’ve been sought and achieved through non violent measures, and this is exactly how it would change in the future, not through senseless psychopath street shootings.

    There is only one guy to blame for the murder and he is a total nut job. There are lots of people to blame for evil healthcare insurance greed.
     
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    First off (PC Disclaimer!), advocating violence or acting blasé with the killing of CEOs is an undeniable slippery slope. At the end of it is propping up a dictator who kills anyone wearing glasses.

    The other issue is the system itself.

    The article in that healthcare monopoly thread made it clear that insurers have a crucial function which the government has given with tight regulations. It's just that things like creating a bank arm in Optum, keeping a personal army of doctors to self promote, and using that customer base from the health insurer arm to funnel into less regulated subsidiaries in order to overcharge and exploit isn't the intended function any government backed insurer.

    You saw what happened in that other thread. Some people became confused and offended, then dug deep in their tribal trenches without even considering any new details.

    Violence is not going to solve that. "Wanting" healthcare to be "fixed and working" is just a consumer itch. We let Google pull the same crap with our privacy and funneling us into their awfully designed new products because they got the original job done while being fast and convenient.

    Maybe we shouldn't let in monopolies out of convenience, then call for their immediate destruction when it becomes inconvenient?
     
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  5. pgabriel

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    Healthcare costs aren't the fault of of the insurance companies. Healthcare costs are a product of simple economics. Supply and demand
     
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    No.

    Myths that need to be expelled that capitalism brain rot has ushered in.

    The biggest one is the concept of profits driving innovation. Intellectual curiosity drives innovation. The most significant advancements in science and tech in society comes from intellectually curious humans stuck in some university basement lab. That's where the lithium ion battery that Elon Musk relies on for a product was made.

    The type of people who are profit driven are not the people who are intellectually curious enough to advance science.

    When John B Goodenough developed the lihiim ion battery with his team of researchers, do we remember the names of the administrative personnel that greenlit the project funding or the government admin workers or politicians who greenlit the funding? Because that administrative task is what corporate executives like Elon Musk do. But under capitalism we praise and cherish the adminstrator more than the actual intellectually curious employees advancing society.

    Health insurance is a collective pool of money that is meant to be redistributed based on healthcare needs. There is no utility to society for an entity that pools money to be redistributed back based on healthcare needs to have a profit motive. The private health insurance industry isn't innovating advancements in medicine. They are innovating more efficient ways to maximize return on investment by doing as little of the redistribution of money for healthcare needs before violent revolt as possible. I have not figured out the reason why a bunch of MBA frat bros need to skim billions of dollars a year from this pool of money meant to be redistributed for health care.


    Why can't a team of government employed workers educated in actuary sciences and medicine being paid 200k a year manage this collective pool of money meant to be redistributed for healthcare purposes?

    Why do we need teams of people with 20 million dollar salaries and billions in return on investment managing these collective pools of money?
     
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    Sad but truth
     
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    Nope. I have long advocated a National Healthcare system, single payer system or Medicare for all. However since the apparent main motive for this murder was United's policies and prioritizing profits at the expense of healthcare procedures it is relevant to the discussion.

    I agree with you that there is plenty of greed in the Healthcare system. Yet, this CEO and his company were rejected claims at twice the national average so he was particularly extreme. That is really saying something since both already agree there is too much greed in the system.

    And yes, the murderer is the only person responsible for the murder.
     
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    Not sure what you are saying “nope” to
     
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    I was referring to healthcare costs which are high because of lack of healthcare professionals
     
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    I heard a "nope" to the question whether he is enlightened with moral clarity.
     
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    You asked the question if I only became aware of the greed in Healthcare after the murder. My answer was "nope"
     
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    Oh is that what you heard? Figures.
     
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    The more I hear Eric Adam’s speak, the more I respect him … He’s a Democrat, but I would love to have more like him around
     
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    Was it his criminality that earned the respect?
     
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    To the people who want socialist societies and healthcare systems.

     
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    Those places have universal healthcare...
     
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    They now have a mix of public and private healthcare (eg Regina Health in Romania etc.).
     
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    I really think this is also how woke people hate successful people
    But they have weird selective methodology for this
    Like this CEO was rich , but not as rich as Diddy
    But Diddy is more moral in their minds cause he’s Black

    @Salvy
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