1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros Off Season Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Oct 2, 2024.

  1. Kphorns14

    Kphorns14 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2022
    Messages:
    456
    Likes Received:
    414
    Sucks, but it was a smart move to trade him, however I thought they could have gotten atleast 2 top 100, a position player and SP. Honestly I thought they should have shopped bregman last offseason, but happy they atleast got something back. Still need to make moves for the OF, can’t have Chas and Meyers out there everyday the next couple of years
     
  2. Phillyrocket

    Phillyrocket Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    14,437
    Likes Received:
    11,584
    Trade Framber for an OF.

    Chas/Meyers/Dubon OF is punting on 2025.
     
  3. awc713

    awc713 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,479
    Likes Received:
    6,162
    Austin Hays would be a solid under the radar addition.
     
  4. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,783
    Likes Received:
    17,150
    Any trade of Tucker or Framber (or both) was going to weaken 2025.

    Short of Santander, Bregman, or some other unknown surprise acquisition of an all-star caliber player, this team will not have anywhere close the odds they had going into 2024.
     
  5. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,927
    That's good for the gamblers !!
     
  6. awc713

    awc713 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,479
    Likes Received:
    6,162
    Of course our odds will take a dip, but odds are not what ends up winning in October. As long as we give ourselves a chance to punch a ticket to October, that’s what matters.

    Astros are still in line to be competitive and in the playoff picture. We still have a top-end bullpen, above average rotation and solid lineup. Are they best in baseball? No, but the Astros are trying to zig where others are zagging, and I don’t hate them for it (especially since we’ve been the odds on favorite for ~a decade).

    It’ll be interesting to see how Blanco and Spencer do next year, and if we can get anything out or Luis Garcia and LMJ. Can Hunter continue his path towards a bona fide ace? There is a lot of reason for optimism, even if we have to deal with the negative realities of the market and free agency (e.g., losing Tucker and possibly Bregman). It’s a testament to the organization that we are still able to be competitive, year after year, after losing these types of players.

    I wouldn’t mind adding a few FA options. They don’t have to be the headliner names, the goal is finding good deals. I think Austin Hays could be a steal. I also don’t hate the idea of letting our farm fight for ABs, albeit I’m not in love with starting both Meyers and Chas.

    We’ll see. There’s a lot of time left in the offseason, and it’s okay if we’re not odds on favored to win the AL.
     
    AkeemTheDreem86 and Snake Diggit like this.
  7. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,775
    Likes Received:
    24,004
    Maybe. Arenado did have an alarming drop in underlying batted ball metrics last season, which at age 33 is a big red flag. But even despite that decline, he was a league average bat, and in 2023 his statcast data was in line with his prime. It’s a risk for sure. I don’t really have a strong opinion on whether Arenado or Paredes should be the 3B or 1B, they’re both plenty good at either position.
     
  8. punkoholic

    punkoholic Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2016
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    4,185
    Also does Arenado even have 1B experience? Why not put Paredes at 1B who has some experience and keep Arenado and his glove at 3B?

    What's better, trade for Arenado who still lots of money owed or Goldschmidt on free agent signing to a lesser amount? Both declining
     
    #2868 punkoholic, Dec 14, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2024
  9. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,927
    The truth is regardless of who starts in the OF opening day, it's going to be fluid unless/until someone takes off.

    I still think they will add at least 1 more proven OFer, even if it's just a guy like Gamel. I expect it to be a bigger guy like Lowe, though.

    But if there are no more additions until the trade deadline, I could see Chas, Jake, Dubie, Shay, Zach, Pedro, Cooper, and Melton each with 25+ starts.

    That looks awful, and probably is, but my point is that they aren't handing any if these positions out and will mix and match, playing platoon splits and riding a hot hand.

    By September, the starting OF will probably have at least 2 guys who, as it stands now, do not project to make opening day.

    I can very much see Whitcomb or Dezenzo starting in LF. Or Brandon Lowe.

    I can very much see Pedro Leon or ( to a lesser extent) Cam Smith starting in RF. Or Lane Thomas.

    I can easily see Jacob Melton starting in CF. Or Cody Bellinger.

    I don't take any list of starters Brown gave us yesterday as any kind if gospel and there is a ton of off season left.
     
    Wulaw Horn likes this.
  10. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,716
    Likes Received:
    10,927
    I feel like we were having this same conversation about Jose Abreu's HR rate after they signed him before the 2023 season.
     
    CVcrew, Bobbythegreat and texans1095 like this.
  11. utgrad97

    utgrad97 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,471
    Likes Received:
    1,180
    Arenado seems like a Bagwell decision. The guy has 3 straight years of declining production and has a horrible contract. Go get Santander and Kepler.
     
  12. Radricky

    Radricky Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2020
    Messages:
    6,322
    Likes Received:
    10,121
  13. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,231
    Likes Received:
    102,241
    1B or nothing. Maybe it takes a load off his knees and his bat plays up a bit?!?
     
  14. punkoholic

    punkoholic Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2016
    Messages:
    4,269
    Likes Received:
    4,185
    I was thinking this as well. Got lucky on 1 trade. But apparently Chandler Rome is now saying Astros emerged as serious contender for Arenado. Is Rome using Schwab as his source lol. Or just another lucky guess. Or maybe he has a source.
     
  15. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,783
    Likes Received:
    17,150
    Not sure how much zagging they're doing... this is right out of the mid-low market team playbook in terms of trading a future FA to be 1 year before.

    Pitching has promise, but also has question marks (and future question marks that people don't anticipate, yet still happen every year).

    Yordan's health is a question mark. Altuve's continued regression also a question mark (slow gradual decline, or will there be a cliff jump).

    Things that can flip it all = Brice Matthews fast-track ascension turning into something more (as well as whatever Cam Smith's track is).... but those are 2028 contention questions, not next year.
     
    Wulaw Horn likes this.
  16. Radricky

    Radricky Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2020
    Messages:
    6,322
    Likes Received:
    10,121
  17. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,231
    Likes Received:
    102,241
    This OFer best be a ****ing stud OFer...

    So, who?
     
    awc713 likes this.
  18. Radricky

    Radricky Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2020
    Messages:
    6,322
    Likes Received:
    10,121
    What would a trade for arrenado even look like?
    Would they want pressley?
     
    Buck Turgidson likes this.
  19. dholi_1

    dholi_1 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2022
    Messages:
    1,212
    Likes Received:
    1,494
    Is verdugo an option? Seemed to be a good contact hitter, put together good ABs
     
  20. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    11,693
    Likes Received:
    15,274
    But the back of his baseball card...
     
    utgrad97, everyday eddie and Qan like this.

Share This Page