[Syria] For the rebels of Aleppo: It's all over but the crying

I thought of the impact on Putin and it made me smile

 

You can’t have it both ways and be non-interventionist and then complain about the repercussions of not having a presence in Syria. I’m not saying that’s your position, but it’s the typical MAGA position.

 

Really Iraq was the first dumb intervention that led to the destabilization of the whole region. It’s all been a **** show since the neocons brilliant Pax Americana nonsense.

 

Having a presence in Syria by supporting the "Moderate Rebels" is what caused this whole debacle in the first place. The damage itself is already done, trying to prop up another government via foreign invasion, which is what would be required to bring order to the Syria at this point, would simply result in another Iraq or Afghanistan, a forever war.

If the Turks and Israelis want to fight over it, let them.

 

See above, the invasion of Iraq caused this debacle. We’ve been sticking fingers in the dam ever since. I don’t disagree with you, BTW. I’m just kind of sick of the disingenuous arguments blaming the other team.

 

Afghanistan withdraw was negotiated by trump not biden. Biden was tasked with executing it. He botched it. Nobody mocks biden for withdrawing from afghanistan (it was trump's initiative) they mock him for his execution which left tons of military equipment to the taliban and got soldiers killed and for him slaughtering an innocent family for no reason.

 

It's been both sides for the last 25+ years at this point. We still have troops in Kosovo from when Bill Clinton tried to "Break the Serbs". Bush gave us Iraq 2 and Afghanistan, Obama came in with Syria, Libya, Iraq 3, and the rest of the "Arab Spring". Trump came in with the promise to end wars but didn't pull out of any of them. Biden helped prolong the Ukraine war from 2 months to 3+ years, and is responsible for Syria 2.

When the likes of John Bolton, one of Trump's mad dogs, are hailed as heroes on CNN, and Liz Cheney campaigns for Kamala Harris, you see how disgustingly united DC really is.

 

I couldn’t agree more, except for Ukraine. We don’t have boots on the ground in Ukraine, it’s a proxy war. It’s more similar to Russia-Afghanistan which was a major factor in the fall of the Soviet Union. It’s a very easy calculation to fund Ukraine and weaken Putin.
The direct interventions in the Middle East destabilized the region, cost trillions and helped lead to Trump. The military industrial complex capture of politicians is a huge problem. They fail spectacularly over and over, yet see their budget increases to irrational levels.

 

You fight a war in order to win, there was and is no way Ukraine can defeat Russia on the battlefield, that was made obvious after the 2023 summer offensive. If you cannot win, then you get as good of a settlement as you can achieve. Both sides came very close in April 2022 only for noted Neocon champion Boris Johnson to break it up on orders from the state department. Ukraine since then has lost tens of millions to migration, many of which express no interest in returning, over a million casualties, is in financial default, and is no closer to defeating Russia then they were back then. As a result, the current Russian demands are much harsher than they were in 2022, and will probably be worse after the stunt pulled in Syria.

Sure, Ukraine can keep conscripting everyone and their dog and with western aid, can keep the war going for a few more years, but you'll be left with a depopulated rump state that is totally dependent on foreign troops to keep them afloat, not unlike Assadist Syria.

 

PINO has no influence now.

 

Endless wars party thinks we should waste americans in syria

 

Hopefully a new Syrian government can take over the responsibility of handling/bringing to justice all those ISIS folks the Kurds have had to guard all these years.

 

Trump was in the process of stopping them (see Afghanistan), and other areas never flared up (like Russia/Ukraine or Israel) under Trump. And of course, no new wars started under him either.

 

Russian backed separatists were fighting in Ukraine while Trump was President. US troops even fought Russian Wagner troops in 2018 in Syria.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/...ican-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
Also Trump prolonged the Syrian conflict by pulling support from Kurdish forces allowing ISIS to reformulate. This wasn’t to withdraw US troops out of the country but to control Syrian oil fields.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49960973
Also during the Trump presidency both the Houthis and Iranians were attacking Saudi Arabia.

 

So no new wars were started under Trump. Thanks for confirming. No one said there wasn't any international conflict under Trump, just less than Obama and later Biden, which is true.

 

I thought the invention of Isreal was the biggest destablizer

Look at pictures of the region from the 60s and 70s and early 80s . . .. the region looked magnificent . .well by todays standards
Now its bombed out

Far too much of our foreign policy is based on the next 4 years
and not the next 4 decades

I know it's gonna explode. . .but as long as it don't happen on my watch
I don't care
type of mentality


Rocket River
That Oil . . .. that oil

 

Yeah if naive leftists in the West think this will be "better" than Assad...good luck.