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Biden's Pardonapalooza

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Bandwagoner, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. Rocket River

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  2. Os Trigonum

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    lol. what do folks here say? if they didn't do anything wrong, they should have nothing to fear :cool:

    Biden White House Is Discussing Preemptive Pardons for Those in Trump’s Crosshairs
    The nomination of Kash Patel, who has vowed to pursue Trump’s critics, as FBI director has heightened concerns within the president’s inner circle.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/12/04/biden-white-house-pardons-00192610
     
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    Escalating lies and coverups with pardons?

    Remember the good ol days when the government would classify everything under the sun to keep their secrets away from prying eyes and jail leakers/whistleblowers?

    Pepperidge Farms remembers.
     
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    Likely, I would support this parden and there would be good reason for it.

    Trump Floats the Idea of Executing Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley
    The former president is inciting violence against the nation’s top general. America’s response is distracted and numb.



    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/trump-milley-execution-incitement-violence/675435/
     
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    I said in another thread I don’t agree with preemptive pardons and don’t think Biden should. I do believe the Trump DOJ will go after people and Inthink if they do their targets should get the same rights as Trump and a day in court with all the evidence presented.
     
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    I feel like Biden was going to follow through on his promise of no pardon until Trump won.

    With Trump in charge he probably knew his son was going to become a huge target for political vengeance.

    This is only going to get worse, btw.
     
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    I'm guessing by this response indicates you believe the notion of executing a military general is silly.

    I agree completely with you if that is what you're getting at. It is silly and ridiculous.

    My question is do you hold the head of our nation accountable for suggesting such a silly and threatening idea?

    I mean he has had other silly ideas such as presenting fake electors to overturn the votes of the American people. He actually tried to accomplish that silly idea and in fact he did prevent the rightful President from being certified on January 6th.

    Taking precautions against such ridiculous ideas and preventing them from coming to fruition seems reasonable.
     
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    yes

    I do not take the suggestion seriously. Nor can I verify the "quote" because the article is paywalled--the only part I can see says that Tump "insinuated" something. If you want to get worked up about that, by all means knock yourself out.

     
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    Basically Trump and his familiars wanted to hold Hunter Hostage through out the administration
    MAKE NO MISTAKE
    They wanted to be able to enlist (Extort) Biden's assistance with the democrats by threatening Hunter

    If this Pardon didn't happen
    That's what they would have done

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    Sorry about the paywall. I know the original comments were part of the 60 minutes interview. If I remember correctly, it had something to do with it being treasonous that it has been punishable by death.

    We have seen Trump do things that are completely silly and ridiculous. He appointed Herschel Walker as head of the missile defense program. Walker does have a high school diploma, but doesn't have a college degree. He wasn't in the military. He has never been the head of large strategic organization or program. He has never had a leadership role in the military. It is silly that any head of the most powerful nation in the world would do that, yet here we are.

    It is silly that a President, who was aware that he lost the election would suggest having the military seize voting machines and put forward a plot to submit fake electors in order to maintain power, yet Trump did do those things.

    It isn't silly and ridiculous that a former president would take classified documents, but it is silly and ridiculous that he would then show them to persons without security clearance that were journalists and acquaintences and discuss some of those documents with them. It is ridiculous that he would suggest his lawyers find ways to hide, and destroy those documents rather than to return them. Yet Trump did all of those things.

    I'm curious what criteria you apply in deciding when Trump will try to put his silly and ridiculous pledges into action and when he won't?

    Is that okay to have a leader who says these silly and ridiculous things and has tried to bring at least some of them to fruition even if he hasn't done it with other silly ideas?
     
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    well, we have his first time around over four years as president. Lots of the silly things he said then never happened. If the future is anything like the past, I expect the trend to continue. Basically it's an inductive inference.

     
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    Yes. Many did not happen, but there are also plenty of silly things that did happen and we are seeing that trend continue as well. We have seen the execution, attempted execution and lack of followthrough on silly ideas.

    I have a hard time being okay with the population being put in the position of having to guess whether or not it will or won't happen, or be attempted. There are plenty of examples of both.

    I wonder what Buzz Lightyear who is part of the United States Space Force thinks about it.
     
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    blanket pardons by Biden will be a net benefit to Trump politically

    exposing what these people did is far easier to do than trying to exact accountability through the slow corrupt criminal justice system

    Milley is the most egregious. If he secretly contacted the Chinese and told them he would warn them if Trump ordered an attack on China, that is treasonous.
     
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    This will be a sad bump in 4 years. When Trump does his pardons with no impunity you think Biden’s son pardon is bad. It will be sick. We need to get rid of presidential pardons period
     
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    So we're firing AOC, Olmar, and Tlaib...

    When?
     
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    I heard Trump is building a Star Chamber specifically to persecute his enemies
     

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