They didn't promise to prosecute criminals. They promised to investigate and prosecute Trump. Private citizens, privy to no inside information concerning criminal conduct, campaigning on targeting particular individuals with the power of your office. The president, Trump, is the chief executive of the country. Upholding the laws of the country is a responsibility he delegates but is ultimately under his purview.
Yes, they promised to prosecute Trump because it was obvious even to private citizens that there was probable cause to suspect he had committed crimes. He did them in public. There was also a common fear that the government would be unwilling to bring a prosecution to a politically powerful person like Trump, so they had to be clear in their campaigning that they would not shrink from doing their duty for fear of the damage it could cause to their careers. And, we have an adversarial justice system. It is the job of prosecutors to prosecute. But they still have to convince a grand jury they have enough evidence to bring an indictment. And they still have to convince a jury to convict. Which, in Bragg's case, was accomplished. I don't see any impropriety in any of that. The presidency is different. The prosecutors are in the branch he leads, but we have traditionally tried to keep the DOJ insulated from presidential interference. That makes a president promising to order investigations a bit more ominous than a prosecutor doing so. You can make out that as President, he would ultimately have responsibility for what the prosecutors do. He also is responsible for public defenders -- the Executive can be the boss of both sides of the adversarial justice system. If he asserts his authority on prosecutions, does he simultaneously neglect his responsibility as the Chief Public Defender? He is conflicted in a way a prosecutor never is. This system isn't designed for a president to be involved in operations.
Of course you don't have a problem with publicly elected officials running on the express campaign promise to target individuals. You hate Trump and consider him a political opponent. You would accept any process that would cause him to suffer. Trump is an individual who was in his mid-70s at the time, had been famous in NY for 50+ years and all of the sudden needed to be targeted for prosecution by the Manhattan District attorneys office and the NY State AG once he entered politics. Manhattan is one of the most liberal counties in the country. NY State is very democratic. You're totally fine with the weaponization of the justice system as long as it goings against someone you don't like. Now the shoe is about to be on the other foot and suddenly its problematic. You can avoid all these mental gymnastics by conceding you think its wrong for Democratic prosecutors to run for public office by promising to specifically target political opponents once elected.
Yes he will. Biden is as corrupt as they come. That being said I won't blame him.if he doesn't pardon Trump
You misunderstand me. I hate Trump because I think he committed crimes and should be held to account. It's no mere political opposition. I think he's a literal criminal.
Plenty of literal criminals. I'm sure you'll be happy to see a Republican administration look into the crimes of Democrats here shortly, if Biden doesn't pardon everyone under the sun first.
I'm actually not too worked up about it. I think it would be abuse of the office for him to order investigations and indictments for the 100-ish people that he has so threatened because it is not his place as president. If he goes through with it, it'll probably turn their lives upside down too. But, I think the DOJ mostly won't be able to get convictions. Which will say a lot about the merit of the initial accusations. After chanting Lock Her Up for months, he then squelched the idea of actually indicting Hillary because they knew they couldn't get a conviction. Bragg said he'd indict. He indicted and he won, and the victory is the proof that he was right in suspecting Trump of committing a crime in the first place. If Trump can find something on any of his enemies then even if it was borne out of bad intentions, a conviction against a capable defense is proof. For that reason, I never had a problem with Hunter Biden's prosecution. I have a problem with people concluding that his board service with Burisma was just a money laundering scheme because that hasn't been proven at all. But, he was guilty on tax evasion and illegal possession of a firearm. Even though it was political opportunism that caused the scrutiny, he had capable defense lawyers and got convicted anyway. He was guilty. If Trump can get Liz Cheney for treason or whatever -- well, good luck with that.
Would a republican pardon any Democrat? No tired of Dems extending grace and trying to “reach across the aisle” to republicans who would never do the same for them and spit in their face constantly
Trump got to present a defense and the jury makeup even included someone who was a Trump supporter who got their news from Fox and other right leaning sources. The judge went out of his way to be deferential to Trump. Your argument would amount to that Trump shouldn’t just not be targeted but be above the law and not be subject to the same rules anyone else. I will say again if there is evidence against Democrats then by all means they should be investigated and if there he evidence is strong enough they should be prosecuted. That is what happened to Hunter Biden and to Senator Menendez. Mental gymnastics is trying to defend Trump when there is clear evidence justifying the prosecutions of him.
I haven't defended Trumps actions anywhere. That's an attribution you make to my posts because of your own colored version of things. I'm denouncing political partisans running campaigns and seeking public office on the campaign promise they will target individual citizens motivated by their political partisanship and bring the nearly unlimited resources of their office to bear on them. "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" - is some Stalin-esque bullshit the Democrats have engaged in the last 4 years and it's about to come right back down some of their throats.
That just isn't true and is rich since Trump has campaigned on it the past three elections. What is amazing is that Trump makes crap up and it turned out that he wasn't able to find real evidence and he failed. Trump, however did commit felonies. The evidence was plain and 12 jurors saw the evidence. Trump and his attorneys presented their defense. They unamiously found that beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. The threshold for conviction in a court of law is far greater than a social media post which is even less than an actual media story.
Still trying to figure out what the bracket means - some skibbity toilet thing I’m too old to understand?
You’re defending him above. You’re claiming all of the prosecutions against him are politically motivated while not addressing the evidence against him. Again I have no problem with prosecuting Democrats if the evidence is there.
yup…so many of them are just spineless and weak…still obsessed with “decorum” and taking the high road while their opposition plays dirty and does whatever it takes to gain power Democrats are a joke
I find these statements to be contradictory. It may be pour tactics to take the high road while the opponent plays dirty, but I don't think that in order to do that requires fortitude, strength and near fearlessness. That would be the opposite of being spineless and weak. I feel that taking cheap shots, and playing dirty is spineless and weak.
Democrats are weak and pathetic…republicans do whatever it takes to win while Dems out here still trying to follow norms and not play dirty they will stay getting bullied and punched in the face thinking they can win bringing a rubber knife to a gun fight they don’t put up any real fight…they spend more time trying to court the mythical undecided and minuscule amount of Bush/Cheney republicans than they do trying to energize their own base while tsk tsking the GOP we’d never have a thread asking if Trump or any other republican should pardon Biden if the roles were reversed because we all know Jalen Green would turn into MJ before that happens
