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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Shark44, Jul 1, 2024.

  1. Hemingway

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    Wow. Jerami Grant gives us a chance to win it all. I think you have lost your mind.
     
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  2. ApacheWarrior

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    You can't judge a player by stats alone.

    Before we picked up Dillon Brooks I noted that he doesn't rebound. Only getting around 3 a game.
    But it was his role. Concentrate on defense (losing focus on rebound positioning) and counting
    on Steven Adams and JJJ to get All the rebounds.

    Grant is asked to spend most of his time on the perimeter. Ayton and others are asked to get the
    rebounds. Ryan Anderson was criticized for not getting rebounds for the Rockets.
    Ryan was actually a good rebounder but we asked him to live on the perimeter as well.

    I know basketball and I'm telling you Jerami Grant would put perform his contract during
    the new CBA era. I promise you that. Jabari can barely dribble the ball without stepping on it.
     
  3. ApacheWarrior

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    He is so bad that Lakers, Pistons, and others will easily give Portland a first.

    It's a matter of which team will give them two.

    I wouldn't expect a newspaper writer who has never played the game to understand talent and chemistry.

    Just keep on writing sucky blogs or whatever you do.

     
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  4. Hemingway

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    I just disagree. I do not bow to your proclaimed superior knowledge of basketball. BTG makes the same claim, as does stephena and about a half a dozen other guys. If you were so knowledgable the actual head coach would be doing what you say. In no world is Grant worth over 30m. People need to quit trying to dismantle this team and give these kids a chance to grow. Pf is not an area of need on this team. If you are going to start handing out FRP's for journeyman then make it for a SG just in case Jalen doesn't pan out.
     
  5. ApacheWarrior

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    But you think VanVleet is worth $44M STFU
     
  6. Hemingway

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    I don't think he is. I think he should be off the team next year. At the time, it was ok, because we had to spend the money and his contract was structured in such a way to make it very tradeable or to just let it run out. By the way, the most games Grant has played in the last 4 years is 63. He is injury prone as well. It's just a dumb idea to give up much for him. He'd be a better bench player than Dillon and Tate if you want to give those 2 up for him.
     
  7. peleincubus

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    You would really trade for this dude? As the Rockets are winning. Jabari is trending up. In my opinion if you are going to make a trade it is for a clear upgrade and for a player 24-28 years old.
     
  8. ApacheWarrior

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    I've told you the outcome the other day.

    I hate repeating myself, but let me draw you a picture with crayons.

    Big Fish stars don't want to come to Houston to lead Sengun/Jalen Green.
    They don't trust either one to perform in a playoff series, so they don't
    want to lead them and won't be 2nd or 3rd option.

    So scratch off the list: Giannis, Durant, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard,
    enter Big Star name here. Add none of them want to play for Tilman because they
    want an owner that will go over the luxury tax apron.

    Player like Reed Sheppard gets minutes; but it's easy to see he can't match up with NBA
    players. He would get burn time in the G-league but Stone is embarrassed they spent
    a #3 pick on the guy and it would look like failure if they send him to the G-league so
    soon. Most #3 picks nowadays getting thrown into the starting lineup. Guys like
    Dalton Knecht and Mr paint his nails McCain, were selected near #20, look 100X's
    better. Reed gets the fast course in hopes he can be a backup next year behind
    Amen. Rockets have to decide on VanVleet....they would rather have a starter
    (Amen) and backup (Reed Sheppard) ready as leverage against VanVleet than not.

    Our picks will be hopefully mid 20's and in the 20's
    Suns pick. But they have to get healthy and stay healthy.
    Thunder get out pick.

    So ask yourself, who do we spend our draft picks on (if no Big Fish)?
    Remember the Rockets had a deal for Aaron Gordon and he nixed
    the deal. Instead he went to Denver.

    Derrick Favors refused to play for us......he took a chance of not playing again.
    Justin Holiday refused to play for us.
    Brook Lopez said thanks but no thanks.

    Teams are keeping their young players.......stars are fading out.
    All that will be left are the Jerami Grant types between the
    ages of 25-30.

    That or take a chance on Kuminga.....Duren. Pistons didn't extend
    him for a reason. I know Kuminga wants $220M. Compare
    that to Jerami Grant.
     
  9. OremLK

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    I thought about that. Problem is that Mathurin is actually a significantly worse defender than Jalen these days (they used to be similar on that end, Green has improved, Mathurin has not). I can't see Ime being too happy with that. Maybe if he came off the bench and Amen started at the 2 spot?
     
  10. ApacheWarrior

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    I haven't mentioned anyone we would trade out.....other than two picks.

    And many of you drama queens are fainting.

    I said I wanted Jabari over Banchero and Chet. So I'm invested in Jabari, but I can't see him getting a
    Max deal. Plays defense, can shoot the ball on occasions.....but he can't dribble drive.

    Must I post a video of Jerami Grant dribbling and driving? It's no contest between the two.

    When Harden was double teamed at mid court, the knock on the Rockets was We have shooters, but
    nobody who can dribble drive. Thus the 27 missed three's.

    Teams have learned from that.....Patrick Fertitta went Micro Ball using multiple
    point guards. Well the Thunder, Warriors, Celtics can put up versions of Small Ball
    or Micro Ball that are proving to be successful this season.

    Not only can Jerami Grant shoot, but he can drive. That's what it is all about
    ladies and gentlemen. Forcing the defense to rotate. Moving the ball from
    one side to the other and back again. Teams playing drop coverage
    with a big Big...get exposed defensively.

    Maybe the Rockets get to keep Jabari?

    A small ball lineup with the addition of Grant can be impressive.
    Amen, Jalen Green, Tari, Jerami Grant, Jabari.

    Now we can complete with the Thunder, Warriors and Celtics in the playoffs if we go small.

    Let me post the videos of micro ball that I've posted before





     
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    Norman Powell anyone?
     
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    Yeah you're right. Saw the update the next day.
     
  13. Corrosion

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    Y'all spent 2 pages arguing with stupid ....

    You don't argue with stupid, that's how stupid multiplies.

    Just walk away .... ignore the stupid in the room, eventually it will go away.
     
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  14. Mathloom

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    Deals where I feel like we can gain value and production rather than give up a pick:

    Isaiah Stewart for Brooks
    Duncan Robinson + a mediocre protected pick for Brooks
    Grayson Allen + a mediocre protected pick for Brooks

    If we get a pick out of that, I would trade that pick plus expiring contracts for Vucevic to become our backup C. Stone can get creative this deadline without surrendering any of our current picks.
     
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  15. CantStopJG24

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    is this a real post?

    Brooks has been a top 3 player for us.
     
  16. Mathloom

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    Yeah wouldn't trade him now, but I think his 3PT% is predictably going to normalize and Amen/Tari are quickly going to become more important to winning.
     
  17. Hemingway

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    I don't want any of those aging stars you listed, if we have to give up core players for them. I would rather be patient. The tide is changing and players that once would not come and play for us may have a change of mind in the very near future. Amen, Sengun, and Tari are turning heads. The Rockets are already over the luxury tax and most moves will hard cap them at the first apron. All teams are trying to get out of the yoke of the second apron, so the whole Tillman is cheap drivvel is going to apply to almost every team.

    Why would Lamello prefer Charlotte or Ant Minnisota or Bane Memphis? You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to what players want. Stone has put us in a position to get a younger star, if they become available or continue to build through the draft. We don't need a stud out of this upcoming draft to compete for the WC next year, we might even compete this year, if the inevitable injury bug is kind to us and tough to others.
    I'm not against getting Grant for the right cost. Which to me is a mediocre pick like the 25 Phoenix pick along with filler that does not include any of our core young players (Cam maybe). I'm not giving up 2 frp's and a core player for a guy that rarely stays on the court for more than 50 games and is not a clear upgrade at PF.
     
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    Pacers aren't exactly an organization that values defense. Mathurin is bigger than Jalen at 6-6 and a much better movement shooter. Ime could basically treat him like Jalen. To the bench if he slacks on that end of the floor.

    Jalen would be able to feast on East teams and put up 28 PPG with Haliburton. Also gets to dunk on Cade 4x a year.
     
  19. Hemingway

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    I think most of the trade Jalen talk is moot until the off-season, but if this trade could happen right now, I might entertain it. I do think the better idea is to give Jalen more than 18 games to prove his worth. He is a frustrating player, but as long as we are winning he is worth the risk. It would be wiser to give him a shot at coming off the bench to see if he can be a stud 6th man and also to let him play in a faster style which he seems to excel in. I don't expect Ime to make any changes to the starting unit, until we start to flounder for a period of time. If that never happens, then great. FVV, Jalen, and Sengun just do not fit on the offensive side of the floor.
     
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    Any game spent developing Jalen over someone else is a waste at this point. It's been 3.25 seasons. But due to the poison pill, it makes it unlikely to trade Jalen this year. I honestly don't think Stone or Tilman would even allow it. Hopefully the Pacers continue to be trash and we can trade them Cam/Jalen for Walker/Mathurin this upcoming offseason.

    Amen/Tari/Dillon/Walker/Jabari is absolute nutty wing depth.
     

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