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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. meh

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    Every time I hear anyone in the media these past years describe Maxey regarding Sixers playoff chances, bad defense was always the biggest worry. As for McCains' defensive prowess, he was picked way later than Sheppard and we see what Sheppard does in NBA games. And i am sure this is the first time in ages I've seen someone on Clutchfans not think of Andre Drummond as a scrub.

    There is no need to make the other team look like the KD-Warriors just to hype your guy. If he's worth hyping, people would naturally do so without having to jump through hoops to do so
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I don't agree with that. Of course no one fully controls a game, the best defender will control and impact 60-70% of the game and same for offense. No one can take all the usage, not even the best ever. There's definitely a more team-oriented aspect to it but a historically good rim protector will make you a playoff team no matter what. That's the same as the big offensive stars like James Harden and Lebron James who can guarantee you playoffs even with a weak roster around them. You add more and you win more.

    On Jalen, yes for the first time in a LONG time I heard Udoka praising Jalen attacking the rim instead of worrying about facing big men and defaulting to too many 3's. Could be a turning point if they're both of that mindset now. Only wide open jumpers in general. More driving to the rim, passing.
     
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    No matter what? You're fairly hopeful, which is fine, but Jalen is one ankle or knee injury away from losing his primary edge: athleticism. Right now, he could be out of the league if he loses any of his ability to out-athlete people.

    While he has improved his overall defense, Jalen needs to add more complementary basketball skills. None of this is too difficult, but he hasn't put in the requisite work on the basics: dribbling and drawing defenders, catch-and-shoot ability, moving without the ball, a floater, etc.

    Less hero, ISO ball. More team play.
     
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  4. meh

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    Yes the year in which Jalen plays on a team that has +8 point differential, he is going to look better in those specific stats than really any player on a tanking team. If you extend this any further back, it would make the opposite case.

    But I'll humor you and assume these are truly measure of value. I will use WS/48 since that normalize for minutes played. Jalen Green ranks 12th on the Rockets in this measure. Taking out all the non-rotation players, he is still 2nd to last just above Sheppard. Sengun, Tari, Jabari, and Amen all have twice the WS/48 minutes that Jalen does. If you want to say Jalen is better than Sexton, fine. Sexton got $18mil/yr. Jalen will be making $35mil/yr. You can see how that can be problematic
     
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    You clearly don’t comprehend what I wrote. Along that line of logic there is no reason to devalue the other team to put our player down.
     
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    Sexton also got his deal in part to be matching salary in the Mitchell deal, there's a good chance he doesn't get as much if it wasn't for that.
     
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    HE GOT THE SAME SHOTS. I am so tired of people acting like he is getting different looks when he plays well. He's not. He took a couple of threes where I was like oh no dont take that. THEY WENT IN. THATS THE DIFFERENCE. The Rockets did nothing different. They are always trying to get Jalen going downhill. Literally had the offense focused on him day one of the season. HE SIMPLY STARTED MISSING SHOTS. HE'S A 30% CAREER SHOOTER. HE NEEDS TO SIMPLY MAKE HIS SHOTS. (Im not yellling all caps are for emphasis) But seriously im tired of people acting like we did something different when he plays well. we ran the same damn plays and he gets wide open shots from Sengun lol BUT HE JUST MADE THEM. HE NEEDS TO MAKE HIS SHOTS ANALYSIS OVER.
     
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    FUnny how a lot of top shotters are on bad teams. Its cuz those shooters dont play defense most of them lol
     
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    I agree a rim protector can affect the game heavily, but I was specifically referring to perimeter defenders, as that was the comparison and relevant to Green, and it is much easier to avoid a good perimeter defender
     
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    Yes, I accept, I am a bi+ch. Now will you answer my question or not?

     
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    I agree that he didn't get better looks but
    Honestly the refs gave him calls and that was the main difference. Cuz he had a bunch of his normal drive to basket misses only this time he got free throws.

    The problem with Jalen is even when he shoots well we can't trust him to have the ball because he turns it over soo much. Simple dribble plays and he gets ripped or throws ill advised pocket passes with no chance of getting to his target. It's so frustrating to watch from a guard who's supposed to be a 3 level scorer yet he probably has the worst handle of any guard in the league.
     
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    If nothing else, Jalen Green is resiliant. Doesn’t miss games and sticks with the grind through a lot of damn struggles.

    I want him to succeed here so bad.

    How about we try patience for this young 7? :D Crazy idea, eh?
     
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    He made his shots. thats the difference. not the refs. Jalen made his shots.
     
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    Jalen and KPJ by far the 2 worst on pull-up 3's.. to think we watched 2 entire seasons with that a primary part of their game :confused:. Because Curry, Lillard, Kyrie & Harden succeed doing it, it mistakingly meant thats a "play style" to emulate. But those players have talent to do it. Jalen is not capable.

    The long 2's is not excusable. Every player on the bad list isnt that terrible on long 2's. Seems even they realize to not chuck up junk on those. Except Jalen. He should be more selective on types of shots. Its a wonder why he still isnt
     
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    What is there to devalue? The Sixers without a healthy Embiid/PG is a bad team. That's why they're 3-13. What is there to boast about a team that's 3-13? Were you boasting about how those John Wall/Christian Wood Rockets teams of years back as "not actually scrubs" when they were getting blown out game after game?
     
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    Poole and Herro best shooters are a major enlightenment.

     
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    Last night's game was tailor made for Green. Drummond is old and has trouble moving in space. The Sixers have no good wing defenders. If you notice every time Jalen got Drummond in space or McCain on him he attacked.

    Don't get me wrong, it was a nice game, but it's not something that I would get too excited about. Let's see how he does against OKC. I want him to have a great game against good defenses when his three point shot is not falling. That will show me that his game has layers, especially if we have established that he's always going to be an inconsistent shooter.
     
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    I think he will have a good streak again.....

    If he had 1 major streak and 2 minor streaks last season is probably due for 2 major streaks and 2 minor ones.

    While probably having another 1 month or 2 weeks of bad play.

    Might as well embrace the Inconsistency and score 50 or 60.

     
  19. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    That's just not true. Jalen Green takes 16.8 shots a game and gets to the line 4 times, it's normal for him to have 2.5 turnovers. In fact I'd encourage him to take more risks with passing the ball to raise his assists, he misses open players or better 3pt shooters often.

    For context, of the 102 players taking as many shots as Green (who have roughly the same or more usage) - Green is 13th lowest in turnovers out of those 102 players. That's excellent. Almost top 10%.
     
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    Uh oh. There's that one game that buys Jalen another 15 straight bad ones.
     
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