It’s not that I think it “should be the end-all-be-all,” it’s that this is how basketball offense and defense fundamentally work. On offense, there are creators and then there are role players. On defense, there are defensive anchors, which are rare, and there’s everyone else, who has to fill their role as part of the team defense. Don’t be upset that Jabari’s ceiling is likely an elite role player. Those are extremely valuable players who definitely merit consideration as part of the core of a team. Based on your repeated mention of where a player is within a pecking order, I genuinely I think you’re confusing “rotation player” with role player.
I'm tired of reading comments from idiots who have never played any sport but who think they are experts in evaluating the technical abilities of kids who are just old enough to drink alcohol. One more example of the mediocrity and resentment of those who are only good at using a keyboard.
No, I'm not confusing "rotation" player with role player. The top 3 - 4 core players I mentioned all generally average as many minutes as the "non-role players" whose primary function in shot creation. Again, this is dumb -- anyone who thinks that a secondary scoring option who is a core 3 - 4 player on a very good team is a "role player" is someone who, frankly, I don't think understands ball all that well.
A Klay Thompson power forward that was always his goal. I think he can do it. That’s more than just a role player to me but whatever as long as we win. Some people say Klay was an elite roll player. I’ll take that
If Jabari can catch and shoot efficiently and defend the paint with Alperen, sheesh... We don't need him to be a star.
If Klay Thompson was an "elite role player," then yeah, I'll absolutely take that. As stupid as it sounds, apparently some on this forum define "role player" as such.
I agree. I think that is the upside, but a WHOLE LOT of that depends on his jump shot, because he is stiff as a board just about everywhere else, almost exactly like Klay.
For perspective, Klay at 21 was a 44-41-87 sort of shooter... Jabari 44-35-87, and seemingly rising. Prayers up. They might need to clear out some of JG's 18 shots a game If Jabari continues to be efficient.
He had a great game. His 3's were valuable, and his block on Gobert was terrific. This should increase his confidence.
Not that but general tradition is to have the corner stones intact and then worry about the role players and not the reverse way. Green and Jabari seem to become role player types of scorers/big guy. Team is about to give a lot of money to them.......those borderline (what you call them super role players)
Very interesting! I'll go back to the same example I posted before, but I think Capela was a roleplayer. I also thought he was part of our core. He was absolutely crucial to unlock Harden, he was a top tier screen setter, rim runner, lob catcher, and rim protector. He was a roleplayer created in a lab to be perfect for that team. And we were, what, something liek 55-4 with CP3+Harden+Capela? I think those 3 were our core. But I think he was a roleplayer.
I don't think Capela was part of our core. We didn't build around him. If anything, we shipped him away to better build around the core.
And Clint was sacrificed for Russell WB in a jiff......that is how easy role players can be discarded. Once CP3 and Melo were out, Morey and Tilman were working to get another star player in.
At times he looks like the guy we hoped we were getting. He's still only 21 years old, and will be pretty much all season.
They absolutely need to give some of JGs shots/plays to Bari. That's a no brainer. He's just a better shooter from anywhere on the court.
This is Sengun's team.. His team, His offensive vision and with his improved defense, he is definitely top 3 center in NBA following Jokic and Embiid. But Jabari really makes great difference, he does not have that star caliber. But he does not need to have. If he plays his role when needed, Alpi, Jabari, Amen and Tari are the future of this team. All this team needs consistent 3 point shooters around Sengun.
My ceiling was always a better scoring Tayshaun Prince, and heck even him becoming T. Prince level would be worth it at the #3 pick. That is quality starter on any title team, especially in this era.
