Because Jalen is trying hard to improve. Cam hangs his head like a child when he gets benched for not taking a step up. Jalen might should be benched, but sure as hell not for Cam.
I don’t think we should be going after another non-shooter. But obviously it would be cool to have the “terror triplets”
The potencial of Jalen is in the eye of the beholder and now with his new extensión, it is not a gamble without risk for the Bulls or whomever. Jalen is in year four and has shown inprovement, for sure, on both ends of the floor. However, he has shown 0% improvement and even regreseed on the most crucial part - Putting the basketball in the bucket. How much longer will Jalen's precieved potential counteract his play in terms of trade value? I think that ship has sailed. Furthermore, he does nothing exceptionally well to justify his contract, and play time given his glaring weaknesses. Lavine may not have positive trade value, but can you really say Jalen does just based on potential? Lavine is a more than a servicable player who addresses our major weaknesses - shooting and self-creation. It's a short-term win, but also a long term win as his contract expires a year earlier than Jalen's. He is only paid about 12 millón more on average. In today's NBA, what is 12 millón for a team that won't have cap room? Also, FVV can be re-signed to his true market value, and guys like Adams, Landale, Tate, and Jeff Green could be let go. The trade for Lavine will never happen, but the Rockets should be considering trades like this.
You get Lavine and Jalen will a huge trade asset I the summer especially after he has his post all star break run. we’ll sell high and get better
My opinion is even if Jalen stays the same, he is a more positive trade asset, because of potential. If potential didn't matter, he wouldn't be on the team now. I believe the Rockets pick up JVV's option, unless by some miracle Booker, Haliburton, or Lamello become available without giving up Amen, Sengun, Jabari, or Tari which is our real core. FVV would be an expiring deal and a positive trade asset at next year's deadline. If we are contender with him on the team next year, then we might talk about an extension, but only if the price is right. I sincerely believe they are going to ride it out with Jalen at least the rest of this year. Stone shared his plan and he has not wavered from it. He wants to maintain maximum flexibility for a star when one becomes available.
A healthy Lavine has value but dude has a bum left knee that's had multiple surgeries, along with his right foot. His contract is bad not just because he's making like $50m per season, but because he's a walking injury risk. He's 100% going to go back on the IR at some point during the contract again, probably multiple times. Green is healthy and has potential. He may be negative value, but Lavine isn't the guy. He'd get hunted on defense. Just not worth taking on that contract. Keep the powder dry and find someone who's part of the long term solution.
That does matter for sure, but you take the risk that he is healthy if the doctors say he is because you can't ignore 51% FG and 41% 3pt shooting at a spot of desperate need. And when he is injured, Cam starts. Jalen's time here is done. DD
I would much rather have Lavine play a portion of the season than Jalen play at all. It's classic addition by subtraction. There is a reason Jalen gets benched in the fourth quarter: He is actively hurting the Rockets' chances of winning the game.
The Rockets are 12-6 with the fourth best point differential in the league. They have one of the youngest teams in the league. They aren't desperate. You're just desperate to be "right" about Green after you were wrong about KPJ. And leave Cam alone, he doesn't need your bad juju. I want him to succeed. Dude needs time in the G league to become a team player, a defender, and a non black-hole on offense.
But it has to be realistic. It's not just about this year. The Rockets will not be trading for Zach Lavine, it is just a waste of brain cells to think otherwise. He is an oft injured SG that doesn't play defense and has an enormously bad contract. Does that sound like something Stone and Ime would be up for?
i dont usually agree with you, but yeah, you're right. the only thing its worth pointing out is we wouldnt be able do sign devin booker, which i think its a big possibility given we have their picks and they are bound to fail.
You guys just can't think past the immediate benefit of Lavine's shooting. He is a bad defensive player with a history of serious injury. What happens after the trade and he gets injured? We are stuck in cap hell for 2 more years. It is why the Bulls have been desperate to unload him for the last 2 years. Let's say Lavine plays well the rest of this year in place of Jalen. Are we contenders? If not, then the trade is not worth it. Losing in the first or second round of the playoffs is not worth screwing your flexibility to become a contender in the next 2 years. I'm not worried about Stone and Ime doing this, they are not that stupid, just can't stand that this forum has become such a sounding board for such immature fans.
I'd rather go for Trae assuming the price isn't too high. I think a change of scenery would do him well and this team would cover for his weaknesses. I don't trust Lavine's health.
i can agree with you about the injury part. it would be a major risk, maybe not worth it. but defense? he has the tools to be a better defender then jalen who is passable at best, i trust ime to get anyone to play defense. if you combine the injury risk and the fact it would be hard to sign a superstar after the trade, yeah, its not worth it. but he would make us instantly better.
The sad thing is we are talking about Lavine and Trae, two max contract guys that no one thinks are actually worth their contracts. And if we had just not extended Jalen, we’d still be looking at him as a positive asset that could bring back at a minimum the return Giddy got. Now we are trying to pawn him off for better players with worse contracts. but look Jalen’s contract is supposed to be tradeable. So I expect Stone to be able to pull off a good Jalen trade this offseason. If not, it’s just another example of poor decision-making, poor asset mgmt by our GM…whose top tanking picks have been Jalen, Jabari and Amen. Not good. thank god for Eli and Ime.
I wouldn't put Trae in the Lavine boat as he's a multi-time all star with proven playoff performance and a better injury history. I take your point though. He is a flawed star, who's had limited success recently. Of course, that's why he may be available at all.
There is nothing DESPERATE about improving your team - at any point. It is just good sense. Lavine is a big upgrade over Green, he makes the Rox better, and it has been reported that Chicago will throw in a FRP to get rid of his contract, so you win now and in the future. DD
yeah so we should trade for anyone that will give us satisfaction of being better this season. Screw the future. Why hang on to anybody? We should trade your boy Cam for Gary Matthews since he is hot from 3 this year and Cam is in the G-league. We should trade Amen, Jalen, Jabari and all our picks for Durant and pray like we would for Lavine to stay healthy. You have clearly lost any common sense you ever had.
Another high-quality defender at forward to protect our offensive guys is exactly what we need. You're getting the smoke all game long. Sengun puts in 20, each forward 10, Amen would probably get 15+ a game as starter. If you can get a 25ppg scorer on that squad it's a legit contender. Maybe you use Jalen to get Booker too and you have: (mpg) Amen (33) - FVV (20) Booker (36) - Reed (15) DB (25) - Ausar (15) Jabari (18) - Tari (30) Alpe (33) - Jabari (15)
