The reason these stats are not convincing is because it does not reflect that he's led us to at least 1/3rd of these wins. Brooks is like #1 or #2 in some of your stats. 100% of NBA GM's wouldn't draft him second from our team even based on current production alone. Jalen has not been our best player but these stats are not telling us who he is.
Yeah bro, keep drawing up 3PT shots for a shooter you know is streaky, then get mad at him for being streaky as if it's what's holding you back lol. The idea of the good shot is a BS cop-out here. There are more than one type of good shot, and different players are better at different good shots. Memphis can get that shot for Ja Morant all day but they don't settle for that. They get him the good shot the suits him.
or, let him play out the first half of the season and trade him before the deadline if it’s clear you don’t want to pay him. That was also an option. The worst option was to overpay prematurely, which we did.
I’ve been watching this guy closely going on 4 seasons now. He doesn’t have great handles. He’s an easy target for turnovers when he drives. Another concerning deficiency for a poor shooting 2-guard that needs to get to the rim to be effective.
Brooks is top in on/off for now b/c that stat takes a while to normalize but the metrics all have brooks towards the bottom. I would say alpi, tari, amen have been unquestionably better though than jalen. The players who lead us to wins are the players who play the best, doesn't matter if it's quarter 1 or quarter 4.
It feels like you and the coach have the same set of data and are coming to vastly different conclusions, so no it still doesn't just say who he is. If I'm going to go with someone's interpretation of the data, I'm obviously not going to go with the most extreme fringe negative opinion. Generally in life, that perspective won't come true 99.9% of the time.
LoL no you're reverse engineering the definition of best player to suit your idea that the stats have been perfected for eternity in the year 2024. Jalen has led us to more wins than anyone but Alpi and he's been a two way player this season so it's not just a points thing. Again, I will grant you that those 3 have been more productive, but these stats are clearly not defining everyone correctly. As you said, Brooks leads us in on/off and you're arbitrarily dismissing that stat just because it has a flaw like any other stat.
I'm not really following the math - it doesn't quite add up .... especially on the 3rd year of your chart when FVV has essentially expired for no return. Maybe I need to do a detailed spreadsheet to understand it .... I will agree that Jalen's contract isn't really prohibitive & could end up being a positive asset - so long as other GM's are willing to take it on in a salary matching trade scenario and it doesn't cost you extra assets to move on from it (or he plays up to it).
Ya, it takes time to normalize stats. On/off isn't even all that great after a full season because there's so much variance/noise. How do you quantify "led us to more wins"?
Jalen has improved quite a bit defensively and as a rebounder. Credit to both Jalen and Udoka for making him at least serviceable if not good when his shot doesn't fall (which is often). He still settles for shots he shouldnt and if he had any semblance of a mid range game, he could've put the Bucks away yesterday with two middies he missed (Dillon missed a wide open 3, Alpy missed a point blank push shot and FVV overthrew a game winning pass so....it happens). I really liked him in the Chicago game where he played within his means and didn't force things that werent there. I do not like the high degree of difficulty shots he resorts to at times (aka the Twitter Shots). My favorite Jalen shots are when he lulls the defense and explodes to the rim for two. Or he draws a foul. If he can add something consistent to his mid range and can draw a wee bit more fouls, I wouldn't really give a damn about how often he's missing threes.
Jalen should be our perimeter "closer" at this point but the shooting just hasn't improved. It's a shame because he can get separation and good looks whenever he wants, just can't knock them down. At least the other areas of his game have improved to the point where he's not a liability out there. At this point I'd def be open to trading him this offseason for more established/better shooting guard. This team needs a closer. Just gonna have to hope he improves this season.
Oh they haven't figured out how to quantify that yet. You can maybe look at clutch stats and deduce some things there. In real life though, he made the most shots, played excellent defense and took over 4th quarters of those games. That's what's known as leading a team to victory in the NBA.
The thing about the clutch is that players like Jalen who put their teams in a hole with terribly inefficient performances shouldn't get credit for finally hitting a few late.
It's not that Ime is "drawing up" these shots, this is a result of how teams play them defensively - going under picks & sagging into the paint which makes getting the type of shots you want much more difficult and generally highly contested. You have to make the defense honor that shot they are giving up .... or they are going to clog the paint. No amount of cutting or off ball action is going to make them change how they play Jalen - it's a matter of him hitting shots or not.
His glazers shape a lot of the narrative around JG, but there wasn't anything particularly outstanding in his first 5 games either. He looks good when his shots are falling, and is more or less the same player otherwise with small improvements here and there that comes naturally with experience and maturity. He definitely plays a more well-rounded game, but continues to be a streaky shooter who's too afraid of driving to the rim and doesn't like contact. Combine that with his meh 3pt shooting and his inconsistency is no longer surprising - his performance basically depends on what opponents give him, and whether he's hot from 3 that night. The mass delusion among his fans has reached weird levels at this point. I'll once again say, the probability of him suddenly breaking out is never zero, but would also be almost unheard of at this point. What makes this a dilemma is we desperately need a good SG next to Sengun, so still wishing for him to be a stable, dependable player, or I hope the team doesn't get hung up on this any more than it already has been. The sad thing is you know #Y5ITNY3 tags to start popping up soon.
Year 4... he is still a horrible liability with the ball beyond the 3 point line whenever a team shows the slightest bit of defense pressure out that far. I've never seen someone turn over the ball more than him in that situation. Harden used to have a lot of turnovers from lackadaisical play out past the perimeter. But Jalen is on another level.
A little tough love (making him hungry for the contract) would have done him some good. He’s never really had to fight for his food as a Rocket.
