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Dillon vs Jabari

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hemingway, Nov 11, 2024.

  1. Hemingway

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    Anyone that disagrees with you is an idiot. You have been negative about most of our young players from the beginning. I have never hated on Brooks who I have acknowledged as having a great start to this season. I just recognize that he is not a part of our future core and his minutes should be going to those that are. That does not make me an idiot, it just makes me a realistic fan that realizes our route to being a contender is through our youth not through a guy that in all likelihood won’t be here.
     
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    Dillon is playing really good ball right now and restraining himself not to do too much.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Dillon has been one of the 2 or 3 best players on the team this year - he's currently a 40% 3 shooting All Defensive team player - on a reasonable contract - you literally cannot find a more valuable role player of his archetype.

    Same for Eason - his success goes without saying

    You basically have been telling nonsense lies for months - or just making nonsense up about Jabari. But - all wrong!

    Either way, this thread really backfired and you're getting exactly what you deserve our of it. For the "idiots" that you attempted to call out here - I say:

    Shut up & take it.

    Idiot!
     
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  4. SamFisher

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    More on this - among players who average more than 30 minutes/game, Dillon Brooks Net Rating is 4th in the league

    1. Shea Gilgeous - Alexander 17.6
    2. Evan Mobley 15.4
    3. Jayson Tatum 15.1
    4. Dillon Brooks 14.7
     
  5. Hemingway

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    it is a 12 game sample size. Dillon is a good role player on a decent contract. He is not a young developing star. In all likelihood he will revert to what he has always been. A mediocre shooter that plays good defense against non-speedy perimeter players. He is still a bad passer and rebounder. I honestly hope he continues his stellar play to start this season, but it doesn’t keep me from having a very valid opinion about his long term role on this team.

    My prediction is that we will see less minutes for Dillon and FVV as the season progresses as Amen and Tari will see their minutes continue to grow. Unlike all the knee jerk Jabari and Jalen haters, I don’t see either having their minutes significantly reduced, because the Rockets are taking a balanced approach to winning and development.

    I’m also not going to overreact to one great game by Jabari. Ime, unlike idiot knee jerk fans, realizes that Jabari needs to shoot better and play with more confidence, but also brings a great deal in other important areas such as rebounding and solid defense. His development, Amen’s and Tari’s development are much more important to the future of this team than kneeling at the alter of a permanent above average defensive role player. You are just part of the instant gratification crowd, that is incapable of reasonable patience of a team that is in the 4th year of a complete re-build.
     
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    ironic for someone who started the thread by calling anyone who disagreed ...

     
  7. chef0010

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    Start a dumb thread, get dicked around.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    Over the course of 82 games, both guys will revert to their mean. Dillon is well-defined in that way. Jabari is not.

    Let's hope Jabari, Tari and Amen clearly prove the Rockets no longer need DB after this season. But while he's here and playing well, let's give DB his props.
     
  9. harold bingo

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    I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you - you think Jabari Smith is a young developing star?
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    People keep saying this about Brooks with the implication that he's got Amen Thompson level shooting hiding deep down inside. People said it last year, as if shooting 36% was unsustainable.

    It was not

    his mean is shooting around league average from 3 on decent volume with elite defense.

    That's a good mean to have.
     
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    He is young and developing, I have no fantasies about star because in the upcoming drafts forwards are going to be much scarier than Bari.....streaky shooter.

    Dominate while you still have time left, Bari....Dracari. Probably a Josh Howard.

    It makes the league more exciting to have a Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/Bosh/David West class again.

     
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    Dillon is shooting 40% from 3 and taking on some of the hardest matchups in the league while having a target on his back from the zebras. His contract is a bargain right now.
     
  13. A_3PO

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    Completely agree and I think his take-no-prisoners attitude rubs off on the younger guys.
     
  14. Joe Joe

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    His contract in no way impedes the Rockets, but with the second apron crunch this season, it is not a bargain right now for most teams. Next season, maybe. Season after that, almost definitely.

    As such, the pro-trade Brooks or shouldn't be on the team crowd are being unreasonable as just benching him would work better than trading him. However, Ime thinks he's worth playing a lot, and that isn't likely to change even if he goes to the bench unless others play better than him for a long time.

    Edit: I have no issue with trading Brooks for a better player. I just assume that defeats the narrative of the pro-trade Brooks crowd as they seem to just want Ime to play different players on team already.

    I do think Ime will change team slowly even if it is more slowly than I think should happen. Well, unless Jabari just plays better tham he ever has over a good sample size.
     
  15. Corrosion

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    I dunno why you guys are arguing Jabari / Brooks, they don't even play the same position and their minutes don't affect each other.

    Jabari isn't blocking Tari or Amen for minutes either - that's mostly Brooks.

    I'm all for moving Brooks but that has little to do with Jabari.

    Brooks: 2-3
    Jabari: 4
    Amen:1-5
    Tari: 3-4
    Cam: 2-3
    Jalen: 1-2
    Shepard:1-2

    I'd move Brooks because it frees up minutes in other places with one of Amen / Tari as the starter. The only downside is that you'd have fewer overlapping minutes with Amen & Tari on the court together.
     
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    I don't think the positions really matter at all. You can pretty easily play Brooks/Tari as your two forwards, I don't even think it matters which one is the 3 or the 4. I think you could take any combination of Amen/Tari/Bari/Brooks and play them at 3/4.
     
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    Jabari has fooled me too many times... Dillon is the man...
     
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    I won't dispute that .... but I do believe that of the group, Jabari is the best option at the 4 spot, especially next to Sengun.

    I'd probably start Tari at the 3 spot alongside Jabari with Amen as the supersub, first guy off the bench - playing starters minutes across multiple positions.

    I believe, despite Brooks shooting that the group of Smith, Amen, Tari is more impactful on winning than Brooks, Amen, Tari. Jabari isn't going to shoot like ass all season.
     
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    Jabari, Brooks, Tari, and Amen all play the 3/4. When Jabari plays poorly, Amen and/or Tari typically play more in the 4th. Those 4 basically take all the 3/4 minutes and pick up another 15-20 from either the 2 or 5. Saying Brooks and Jabari's time don't affect one another is incorrect as Brooks and Jabari often play with the same 4 players at different times in the game (i.e., there are players that can play both their positions).

    I can understand, though disagree, if Brooks loses minutes to Tari and Amen for the purposes of development instead of Jabari. Unless Cam starts to deserve full rotation minutes, I don't see why Brooks would lose all his minutes when those 4 players are needed to cover 105-110 mpg.
     
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