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The state of the democratic party

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    I don't think it was that high .
     
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    That goes with out saying. His 1st 100 days will be about paying back everyone he feels failed him
    and reward all his loyal folx

    Rocket River
     
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    Agree with a point made in here: this is not rock bottom for the Democratic Party. Based on the reaction so far to their resounding defeat, they will have to lose more before they change course.

     
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    Not sure how much introspection Dem or media leadership will gleam from this loss. I guess it changes when polling opens up voting block.

    Weird bot check, I've never had to sign in to watch a vid before.
     
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    This 2023 Atlantic op/ed is helpful for anyone still shocked that Harris lost voters over the economy.

    Any competent campaign runner would know survey results of public sentiment over time. Dems just chose to ignore it and rely on the media's biased economic reporting for higher income earning viewers.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/12/inflation-food-prices-democrat-biden/676901/
    The English-Muffin Problem
    A simple explanation for economic discontent
     
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    Nate Silver Discovers the Difference Between Republicans and Democrats

    https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024...ce-between-republicans-and-democrats-n3796930

    relevant excerpt:

    It struck him that Republicans and Democrats took a very different approach to reading and reacting to his newsletters:

    Even though our forecast was near 50/50 for almost the whole race, there were certainly periods that were relatively better and worse for Harris and Trump. Our narrative content followed accordingly, with about an even mix of newsletters that presented optimistic cases for Harris and Trump. (That was not true when Joe Biden was running, but that’s because Biden was way behind in the polls.) So I essentially got to perform a randomized control trial on how partisans in both camps reacted to good and bad news.

    And there was an asymmetry. Republicans are generally happy when you agree with them partway or half the time. Admittedly, the sorts of Republicans who encounter our work are not a representative sample, probably being on the moderate side — though you can find plenty of Trump supporters in the Silver Bulletin comments section.

    Democrats, however — and here, I’m not referring so much to Silver Bulletin subscribers but in the broader universe online — often get angry with you when you only halfway agree with them. And I really think this difference in personality profiles tells you a little something about why Trump won: Trump was happy to take on all comers, whereas with Democrats, disagreement on any hot-button topic (say, COVID school closures or Biden’s age) will have you cast out as a heretic. That’s not a good way to build a majority, and now Democrats no longer have one.

    more at the link
     
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    The ones who stopped watching must've believed Biden was sharp behind the scenes and the economy was great for everyone.
     
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    Silver's blog itself is an interesting read. It's a bit wordy to consume in a few minutes, which is probably a reason why it's well thought out.

    https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-liberalism-and-leftism-are-increasingly
    Why liberalism and leftism are increasingly at odds
    Dec 12, 2023
    ...
    Proponents of SJL usually dislike variations on the term “woke”, but the problem is that they dislike almost every other term as well. And we need some term for this ideology, because it encompasses quite a few distinctive features that differentiate it both from liberalism and from traditional, socialist-inflected leftism. In particular, SJL is much less concerned with the material condition of the working class, or with class in general. Instead, it is concerned with identity — especially identity categories involving race, gender and sexuality, but sometimes also many others as part of a sort of intersectional kaleidoscope. The focus on identity isn’t the only distinctive feature of SJL, but it is at the core of it.

    SJLs and liberals have some interests in common. Both are “culturally liberal” on questions like abortion and gay marriage. And both disdain Donald Trump and the modern, MAGA-fied version of the Republican Party. But I’d suggest we’ve reached a point where they disagree in at least as many ways as they agree. Here are a few dimensions of conflict:

    1. SJL’s focus on group identity contrasts sharply with liberalism’s individualism.

    2. SJL, like other critical theories that emerged from the Marxist tradition, tends to be totalizing. The whole idea of systemic racism, for instance, is that the entire system is rigged to oppress nonwhite people. Liberalism is less totalizing. This is in part because it is the entrenched status quo and so often is well-served by incremental changes. But it’s also because liberalism’s focus on democracy makes it intrinsically pluralistic.

    3. SJL, with its academic roots, often makes appeals to authority and expertise as opposed to entrusting individuals to make their own decisions and take their own risks. This is a complicated axis of conflict because there are certainly technocratic strains of liberalism, whereas like Hayek I tend to see experts and central planners as error-prone and instead prefer more decentralized mechanisms (e.g. markets, votes, revealed preferences) for making decisions.

    4. Finally, SJL has a radically more constrained view on free speech than liberalism, for which free speech is a sacred principle. The SJL intolerance for speech that could be harmful, hateful or which could spread “misinformation” has gained traction, however. It is the predominant view among college students and it is becoming more popular in certain corners of the media and even among many mainstream Democrats.
    October 7 polarized liberals and the left away from one another

    Since the October 7 Hamas terrorist attacks and Israel’s subsequent invasion of Gaza, I’ve sometimes heard people express surprise that other people they knew (whether in their real lives or on social media) turned out to be more pro-Israel or pro-Palestine than they thought. To me, it’s almost been the opposite: the reactions have been highly predictable. Leftists tend to take the Palestinian side, and liberals the Israeli one; I think it was easier for me to see this because I’ve long been sensitive to the difference between leftists and liberals. Furthermore, these views tend to be correlated with other issues that divide liberals and leftists, such as free speech and even COVID restrictions.3

    Why is this? In some sense maybe it shouldn’t be this way — there should be more heterodox pro-Israel leftists and heterodox pro-Palestine liberal centrists. From a liberal’s perspective, however, especially from a Jewish liberal’s perspective4 — which is to say my perspective — it’s easy to see why October 7 was so divisive.

    SJL has an elaborate matrix of racial and identity categories, which Jewishness has always fit awkwardly into. Jewishness is both an ethnicity and a religion. Jews in the United States are quite successful despite the extremely high historic incidence of anti-Semitism, including of course the Holocaust. Meanwhile, there’s the distinction between the Jewish people and the Israeli state. And race and ethnicity within Israel are complicated; many Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, meaning they have ancestry from the Middle East rather than Europe. So Jewishness is an edge case that makes the entire identity politics architecture look kind of dubious, if we’re being honest.

    ...

    But also, I suspect that an increasing number of liberals will a) more clearly recognize that they belong to a different political tribe than the SJLs and even b) will see SJLs as being just as bad as conservatives. And this will cut both ways; some SJLs will regard liberals as just as bad as conservatives — enough so that they might even be willing to deny a vote to Biden. All of this is quite bad for the progressive coalition between liberals and the left that’s won the popular vote for president four times in a row.

    "Dismayed liberal" right? Makes more sense to me why I butt heads with the more obnoxious lefties here.
     
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    I'm a News Nation guy, but I suspect some of the reduction in ratings might be from a post-election hangover.

    Example:
    Once the Astros got tossed from the playoffs, I did not watch any more baseball for the rest of the post season.
    Angry, disappointed, soul searching for remedies. Baseball was dead to me until the off season began.
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    yep. reports of MSNBC's death are greatly exaggerated
     
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    Yes and I think the ratings of some of these channels like MsNBC, CNN , Fox will go up .
    Somewhere deep in their consciousness , may be this is what they wanted. In less than a week, Trump has put together a made for TV Senate confirmations .

    we get to make fun of them and they get to laugh their way to the bank :)
     
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    This is a little silly. The rating plunge is because of exhaustion. Plain and simple. I haven’t watched the news since election night. Are any Trumpers here going to take that as a revelation that I’ve turned a corner and now won’t be voting Democratic in future elections??

    Cable news overall isn’t going away but it is ineffective in properly educating an electorate in a Democracy. All of them make matters worse mostly, and it doesn’t help that nobody trusts them because their corporate heads have an agenda that is billionaire friendly to say the least.

    Nowadays YouTube is basically another major cable provider anyways so that format is more preferable for Democratic leaning voters. With an outlet like The Bulwark or Courier you have a segment similar to what you’d see topic wise on the A and B block of MSNBC but with limited ads, longer form, and no pro billionaire agenda.

    MSNBC actually has learned to tap into the YouTube audience though and has started clipping segments pretty effectively.

    So if I was a Trumper I wouldn’t be throwing a parade at the demise of liberal cable news assuming the US has suddenly decided to be fully Trump fascistic and we can all now just be drones like a MAGA version of North Korea. Your dream of that being a reality is not happening I am sad to report.
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrat...ts-officers-220246170.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

    Democratic politician repeatedly insults officer's manhood during DUI arrest
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    Wed, November 13, 2024 at 5:02 PM EST
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    Democratic politician repeatedly insults officer's manhood during DUI arrest



    A Democratic elected official was arrested in Chicago after allegedly causing a three-car pileup and making inappropriate comments about the arresting officer’s penis.

    The Chicago Sun Times first reported the incident. According to the outlet, the elected official, Samantha Steele, 45, was arrested around 8:50 p.m. on Sunday after crashing into another vehicle and causing a three-car pileup in north Chicago.

    During the arrest, Steele repeatedly asked the arresting officer, "Is your penis that small?"



    Steele serves as the commissioner for the second district of the Cook County Board of Review, which oversees property tax assessments in and around the city of Chicago.

    Democrats Accused Of ‘Intentionally’ Subverting The Will Of Voters With ‘11Th-hour Sabotage’ Of Trump Agenda

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    A Democratic elected official was arrested in Chicago after allegedly causing a three-car pileup and making inappropriate comments about the arresting officer’s penis.
    The Chicago Sun Times reported that Chicago Police arriving on the scene observed "extensive" damage to the involved vehicles and found Steele lying on the sidewalk.

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    One officer wrote in the report, "I observed her eyes were bloodshot and glassy" and "I also detected a strong odor of alcoholic beverage coming from her breath as she spoke."



    The police report said that officers immediately detected a strong alcohol scent and noticed an open bottle of red wine on the passenger side floor of Steele’s car.

    After officers asked Steele how much she had to drink, she replied, "I want my lawyer, and I’m not talking to you." She refused to perform a field sobriety test and was arrested and handcuffed.

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    Cook County Board of Review Commissioner Samantha Steele, 45, was found lying on the ground beside two vehicles with "extensive" damage around 8:50 p.m on Sunday.
    Rather than calling her attorney, the Chicago Sun Times reported that Steele called a member of the Cook County Board of Commissioners, Scott Britton, who has since referred her to a criminal attorney.

    Steele is being charged with misdemeanor driving under the influence. Her court date is set for Dec. 27.
     
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