Rockets Have the Top Two 4-Man Defensive Groups in the NBA

Unbelievable arrogance to think that everyone sees the game in the exact same way as you. This may be shocking for you to hear, but there are people out there who watch Sengun and don’t think he’s a terrible defender. Try to wrap your head around it.

 

U can use that same logic with green.
We didn't even need to use this cherry picking 4 man line up.
Sengun and green are part of a top 5 defense, they have to b competent at it.

It's quite ridiculous to think that either starting player on a team that is a top 5 ranked defense Isn't contributing positively to that result and is a liability as some haters would suggest

 

Do you believe he's an excellent defender?

 

Yes! You're right, you can use the same logic with Green! If anyone was to tell you "it's impossible to build a good defensive team if Jalen Green is your SG", then they would be a liar. That is correct. That is the point.

 

Or 3 since the 4th guy is dragging the others down

 

It just shows you analytics is bs

 

Excellent? No, I don't. But you are out of your mind if you think people are watching him and see a bad defender, but then say "hmm, let me look and see if I can find some stats that say he's a good defender." And then they go to google, find some stat that disagrees with their eye test, and posts it on here. Do you not realize how stupid that is? Do you not realize how ludicrous your suggestion is? There are zero people that do that. There are zero people who would ever do that. It is completely insane. This "fail to believe the eye test" thing is something you've made up in your head. It's not real.

 

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/a...uantity=4&dir=A&slug=advanced&sort=DEF_RATING

 

Sengun is a bad defender it’s not really a debate lmao

 

No it doesn't, it shows you they haven't played enough minutes. It says right there in the tweet, if you bothered to read it, minimum requirement is 120 minutes. Amen and Tari are bench players, they have not played in any lineup for 120 minutes. The lineups with Amen and Tari actually do better than the ones listed.

 

He doesn't have to b excellent. He's part of a top 5 defense, he's doing something right at center like Jalen green and everybody else on the starting line up

 

Why 4 and not 5? Seems pretty silly

 

And how is that relevant? I have not seen one person, not even the twitter charlatans, claim that he is an excellent defender.

 

There’s a very clear stat for that, we’re a top 5 defense and Sengun is starting. That tells me he can start for a championship team. It’s not fully definitive because we are favoring defensive players at some positions, but it’s good enough.

This stat we’re talking about here maybe indirectly makes the same point in a weak way. But the majority of the purpose it’s serving is to make people think that means the players in that lineup are better than they are. Creates more misinformation than information. For me a totally pointless stat.

 

Not great is not good enough. You’re talking about one of the best defensive starting guard duos in the NBA. We’re a top 5 defense without a central anchor for it. You’re expressing an extreme fringe opinion here saying Sengun is not benefiting from 4 good defenders and an elite defensive coach.

There’s no stat that can prove Sengun is not being helped. You’re confusing your subjective analysis of the stats with, well, stats.

 

I did not say he is not benefiting from
Others or the coach. He is not benefiting to the level that would offset a bad defender. Because fvv and green are not that level of defenders.
rightnow other than brooks the other 4 have performed similarly defensively.

 

I sense troll. No way multiple top 4 defensive line ups contain Jalen Green, Trae Young, and Cam Thomas..

 

Go back and look at all of my post. I never said he was a bad defender, however he's not as good as the stats proclaim. He's avg at best.

And if Ime barely plays him in the 4th Qtr, as many SOFs complain about and if you yourself are saying he is not very good at defense, so what does that make him?? AVG!

 

You forgot Sengun