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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Meh. I’m not the biggest Chet guy. I worry he’ll deal with injuries his entire career. Making a guy like that a major part of your core can be really rough. We went through it with Yao (who is one of my favorite players of all time).
     
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    Chet is frail but he is not one of the 7'4"+ guys that have shown to be so prone to career ending injury concerns. Wemby is the one who may fall victim to that.
     
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    I mean, I’m not sure about that. Chet lost his entire rookie season to a freak foot injury. He’s out now for at least 10 weeks for a hip fracture, which is awful for a guy his size. I don’t know. Something about his build worries me.
     
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    Try EWA and VA...

    (I like Hollinger, but something about his stats is flawed, he seems to favour big men a lot.)
     
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    Sengun needs to develop a mid range jumper even more than he needs a 3 pointer.
    He is clearly not enough confident on that shot and would open better options for him and his teammates,.
     
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    Really? He's built exactly like those skinny big man that gets injured. He's basically as Skinner porzingus
     
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    Meh, his list looks pretty solid to me. How about NBA's PIE ranking? Sengun is 4th (!!!). Honestly, he really does appear to be our franchise guy with top 10 player potential.

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    Yes, I won't complain - in Hollinger's methodology, Alpi is where he belongs in those lists.
     
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    There should be no time spent on dragging the @Clutch 's of the fan base along for the ride anymore. You either acknowledge the objectively overwhelming evidence in front of you that Alpi is a star level player at 22. Or you revert to your biases and remain stubborn, all the while your intended-as-serious takes look more like a troll with each passing game.

    The man is 22. There's literally a decade left for people to just admit they were wrong, move on, and support Alpi so I have hope that the fan base will come around. But honesty, at this point, IDGAF. Be miserable. Be stubborn. Be basketball illiterate. It's entirely inconsequential to me. Your opinion means nothing going forward and it's probably better that way.

    Not for nothing but the same can be said of the folks persistently success-baiting the JG stans. We have 2 guys that any night can go off for 35+ and carry the team. Why that's seemingly a source for conflict - especially since both have signed deals - is infringing on absurd.
     
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    Sengun can’t be a number 1 until it is acknowledged by udoka. And he can’t be a superstar if he is not let to test his limits, to grow his game with creativity. It is time to let your most promising players run the show and give them more responsibility. For me this core is Sengun, green, tari and amen. It doesn’t matter if green is underperforming, he has the potential and we signed him to a contract. Betting on one of these guys to become a superstar is much better than hoping to grab one via trade. Use brooks and fvv as complementary pieces, not your main ones.
     
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    And Sengun had a mismatch this game but using Sengun extensively should not depend on a mismatch. That’s a very weak point for udoka if he needs a mismatch to use Sengun.
     
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    As has been the case for the better part of 4 years now, Sengun is clearly our best player despite the organization doing everything in their power to not acknowledge that fact.
     
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    It is beyond baffling why they do not want to seem to admit the obvious. It is time to hitch the wagon to Alpi and make him the focal point of the offense every game.
     
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    The organization and a few superfans.
     
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    I totally agree. And I think focusing on the message "oh yes, he played a Rookie, so this one time we gave him the ball" is kind of a slight to Alpi (not by Ime).

    I repeat it:

    Sengun has a mismatch almost every game. Nobody can fully stop him when he is on.

    Wemby is probably the best rim defender in the NBA, and Alpi obliterated him when he was in top game shape (which he wasn't to start this season) and when he was empowered to take control (which he hasn't been by Udoka this season so far).

    Embiid, if healthy (big if), might win the matchup the one time they play this year still.

    Jokic cannot defend Alpi - he can possibly out-produce Alpi on the other end, but Alpi held his own last season already.

    Anthony Davis can maybe play Alpi to where they sort of cancel each other out - that's what happened last year - this will tip more in Alpi's favour from here on out.

    Every other center is toast trying to defend Alpi.
     
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    What do we think about Net Rating and Cleaningtheglass and on/off stats at the moment? I remember they were popular not long ago, just before the season started.

    Remember: The lower the number on DEFRTG, the better the rating.

    It's just 11 games. Small sample size still, but 11 > 4.

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    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*G*20&TeamID=1610612745&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

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    https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/11/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

    Alpi was shooting like crap to start the season. If he keeps up the defense and gets back to his normal TS %, I think we will do well as a team, especially if the other guys (Jabari and Jalen and Fred cough cough) can start hitting their open threes...
     
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    It honestly all makes sense once you realize they subscribe to "goalie theory". They've outlined it int he other thread, but in a nutshell, they think your center has to be your goalie. Nothing else really matters about defense, we don't need to look at impact, we don't need to look at other good things he does, deflections, iso defense, it can all be thrown out. Just purely look at it through the lens of "the center is the goalie." When other guys screw up, when other mistakes are made, does he provide the last line of defense? And to be honest, not really, lol. If you think the only thing that matters defensively is for your center to be the goalie...then I get why they think Sengun is bad. That's not really an area where he excels. And this is what all the criticism boils down to, at least from the explanations I've seen in the other thread. If your ONLY way to contextualize and judge defense from a center is with "goalie theory", well, that's why they all think he sucks.
     
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    He has been MUCH better this season already as the "goalie". So far, this has not been acknowledged by his usual detractors.
     
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    Just to add to the previous post - this doesn't qualify yet, because it's only been 46 possessions, but the four man lineup of Alpi, Tari, Amen, Dillon Brooks has this defensive rating:

    75

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    Ridiculous offensive rating and Diff. as well.

    And if you just mix Alpi, Tari, Amen with anyone else (125 possessions, so would qualify), their defensive rating is 98 and would beat anyone in the list from that tweet. Offensive rating 136, Diff +37.6.

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    How much longer until the Sengun haters will have to admit he isn't dragging the team down on defense AT ALL, very much the contrary?
     
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