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Udoka questions

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DominantBig, Nov 10, 2024.

  1. OkayAyeReloaded

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    We won the game. It's a day game and both teams played terribly as it disrupts a team's rhythm

    The adjustments worked lol
     
  2. harold bingo

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    This is correct and there was some Sloan Conference thing where Morey talked about it years ago. They looked at the data and came up with two conclusions. First - more passes means more turnovers. They are very directly and heavily correlated, so the idea of "we need more ball movement" means you will have more turnovers. So when you think about an offense with "more passes" and "more ball movement" to get better shots, it's not actually that simple. Yes your shot quality will probably improve from ball movement, but it actually has to outweigh the addition turnovers you will inevitably have for it to be worth it. Second - "more passes" did not correlate with better offense. I know a lot of anti-math people will probably get mad and disagree with this one, but there was no correlation between "more ball movement" and better offense.
     
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  3. Rinaldi

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    what does your athletic yoga girl do for the offense mr clown? Jabari is worthless these days.
     
  4. conquistador#11

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    We're running an 8 man rotation like it's the Western conference finals and whatever crumbs are left for Reed. WTF.
     
  5. RocketStan

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    This is such a poor shooting team.. Tari is our best shooter smh.
     
  6. DominantBig

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    How does off ball movement factor in? Creativity with screens when Sengun has the ball. We'll see 1 set play a game and that's it instead of it being within the fabric of the offense. Athletes like Jalen, Amen, shooter like reed just standing around is horrible.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Can you retype this in English? Not sure what point you are trying to make, here.

    What I am saying is that players like Jabari need a system that gets them moving and to hunt the spots they are most successful and this is not just for him, all of our players would benefit.

    If you watch the Sacramento Kings under Rick Adelman you would see that Chris Webber shot the midrange and drove to the basket - you had Vlad in the facilitator role on the low blocks, you had movement by everyone with the ball and their bodies to eventually get a quality shot.

    Modern versions would be watching Golden State and how they play, they are better than us, because their offense is so efficient that we can't keep up, we did manage to almost win, but that is what mediocre teams say....oh, we almost won....again and again.

    I am trying to see where we can break out and be elite, and I don't see it, but I also don't see Ime doing anything about it to help.

    Is our D good - yes, it is, is our O good - no, no it is not, let's work on the O and get guys shots that fit their games.

    DD
     
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  8. Nook

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    Udoka isn’t why the Rockets starters shot 4/25 from 3 against Detroit - he isn’t the reason that the Rockets are a terrible perimeter shooting team.

    Udoka isn’t the reason that the Rockets have one player that can drive to the basket and split his man consistently.

    Udoka isn’t the reason that Jalen Green is so inconsistent.

    Udoka isn’t the reason the Rockets lack a franchise player.

    I know it’s very difficult to accept but this Rockets team is poorly constructed, and until the shooting from the perimeter is good - the offense won’t be good and the paint with be packed.

    There needs to either be further organic internal growth as shooters go on this team - or tough decisions need to made about trading for shooting.

    I am not claiming Udoka is perfect but he is down the list of problems.
     
  9. dmoneybangbang

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    This.

    Ime is a defensive minded coach who has a very young team playing 7th DEFRTG, 12th OFFRTG, and 5th TOV%.

    Yes the offense can get tight in close games and the offense generally is kind of ugly, but we are 5th in one of the most competitive western conferences.
     
  10. Nook

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    No - they are getting good shots and not making them. There is no reason to not pack the paint against this Rockets team.

    Players like Smith, Green and FVV need to shoot league average or better from 3. Hell - Smith needs to shoot over league average or he doesn’t need to me playing starter minutes.
     
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  11. DaDakota

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    OK, but he is the reason that he is not adapting his system to get the most out of what he has.

    If players are bad at 3pt shots, then work a system to get them shots they are good at hitting.

    The dumbest thing a coach can do is try to fit players that don't fit his system into a system - the best thing to do is to design a system that works with their strengths and minimizes their weaknesses.

    DD
     
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    Udoka took the worst team in the league and less than a season and a half later we’re top 10 in the league. Perhaps some of yall need to chill.
     
  14. Jorge M Gutierrez

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    Ok bro
     
  15. harold bingo

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    I think Udoka is a really good coach overall, if you look at the total package. The total package is undeniably good. But I think he has his weaknesses. I think he's a reverse Mike Dantoni, he is a defensive savant that is completely clueless on offense, it seems like he ignores that side of the ball entirely (just like MDA). I think the criticisms of his offense are valid. I think we'd really be in great shape if he could get an assistant coach as an offensive coordinator.
     
  16. Htown Stros

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    To your point…

    FVV is shooting 28% on wide open 3s. Jalen is at 30%. They’re taking a combined 5.6 attempts a game.

    Jabari and Reed are both at 14% on 1.8 and 0.9 attempts, respectively. Şengün and Amen are both at 28% and combine for 2.3 more attempts.

    That all adds up to only one team (Wizards) being worse in the entire league.
     
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    What about player movement?

    We are 27th in assists per game. I don't know if it's because we can't shoot or because we can't pass.
     
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    I am expecting many games where you say it is not Udoka's fault.

    Udoka is part of the Rocket Establishment.......he is not the main reason but he is involved in the decision making process.

    Udoka is not the main culprit but also not the main Solution. He is a nice intermediary piece to guide the team to the Playoffs but lacks the fine tuning to do a lot more damage.

    He is one of those coaches that needs to have an absolute superstar because he has no Offensive system that is outstanding.


     
  19. harold bingo

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    It wasn't discussed, from what I can remember. I don't think it was part of the analysis, that would have to be a separate study.

    Also, just to be clear, "no correlation" doesn't mean bad. It doesn't mean more ball movement won't make your offense better. It just means that it isn't necessarily good. There were lots of offenses that had lots of passes that were very good, and also offenses with tons of ball movement that were very bad. Also lots of offenses with very few passes that were very good.
     
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  20. daywalker02

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    Count me in on the bandwagon of Kenny Atkinson and Tyronn Lue.
     

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