I hate to say I could feel it in the air, but yep. I thought Trump would win. Congrats, Putin. Congrats, FOX. Congrats, Twitter-verse. Y'all take good care now, you hear?
Reflect on the insane policies your side has been pushing. Common sense prevailed, despite the leftist D&D echo chamber assuring itself that they were the majority, and the virtuous ones. No, you never were.
who are you to tell me about echo chamber? you've been spamming misinformation network non-stop over here. and yes, it's nice to have that type of russian sh*t working for your side. Congrats on that! You "stopped the steal" that was never there & now the trump is going to give rich their tax breaks and the poor are going to get another portion of disinformation from Elon (foreigner silicon valley nerd), Rogan (ufc commentator), RFK (the new health guru of the nation. ffs...). The education gap in this election is there for a reason. Now whoever is able to manipulate social media (GOP w/ help of Russia) is the one calling the shots. But yea, enjoy your temporary 1% DOW spike. I'm sure with your new A-class team in the white house, and the upcoming tariff war & another deficit hike ("to pay back" the masses), it's going to be great. Also can't wait for Project 2025 and the autocratic **** they will be pulling - new Turkey (is that where you are from)? How is that inflation doing over there?
You might want to ask yourself why the majority of Americans doesn't share your point of view. You are still parroting the "Russian misinformation" nonsense.
Try to use this moment of defeat to question whether you and your side have really been right on everything, rather than making up stuff about "Russian misinformation" to allow you to remain ignorant.
You asked for advice. Sorry you didn't like it. I guess you didn't expect the advice to suggest you question yourself.
Well, for one, we have to take the L, unlike what a Trump or his most ardent followers could accomplish in 2020. We have to wear the L. Most liberals, myself included, and most intellectuals, including all the Nobel laureate economists, and most pre-Trump GOP thinkers, are not only out of touch with a significant part of the population (50-whatever % of registered voters) but also somewhat out of touch with major financial markets. I've never seen a sharper global signal of "economists say X, but markets say not X." The last 24 hours provide an incredibly loud signal, and it ain't about Gaza (as some of my far left colleagues have been saying already, cry out loud). The time of American populism, anti-intellectualism, and sloganeering is now in full-flower in the US and has been coming for a while. Neoliberalism has failed to win hearts and minds in the general population. People talk about a reaction to Obama's race, and that was and is real. I think people also reacted to his professorial manner, tone, and language. I loved it, but I ain't most of America. Lots of people (apparently) prefer a barely coherent Rant-o-saurus Rex. Anyway, what I'm saying for advice: don't joust with our pro-Trump brethren on here right now. I don't see the point, or it won't help you feel better anyway. Keep your head in the game, and think about ways to keep looking outside our own algorithm enforced bubbles. Think about what left wing populism would look like, even if some of that vector gets us uncomfortable. Logic and data just massively failed us. And sure, FWIW, I agree with you on most of what you're posting in terms of content. The role of disinformation, Musk, Russia, the internet. But to say that's the only factor is deeply insulting to tens of millions of voters, and insulting them will not help any cause we care about. (Apparently.) Yesterday's and this morning's strong and surprising signal -- IMHO -- can't just be tied to one thing or only to reductionist things like "people are dumb," or "misinformed voters," or "racism," or "sexism." There are just tons of people who voted to bring what is unthinkable for some of us back to power and with more support than ever.
The weird thing is that essentially MONEY has once again gotten people to vote against their own self interest, when the billionaire class and lobbying are 70+ % of the problem. We need someone to come in and scapegoat the Elon Musks of the world and how they are screwing people over, because they are.....we need a firebrand leader, probably a man, because misogyny is alive and well in the USA, and they need to be charismatic, and replace the DLC with a more crowd popular platform. And hit go. Maybe that is Newsome, maybe Buttigig or someone we don't know yet....but they have a few years to figure it out, and if the GOP controls all 3, it will only be for 2 years, they will introduce so much **** that tanks the economy they won't be in power long. DD
I don't think you can compare Kamala to Obama. Obama was very polished, out in the open, and ran great campaigns. The greatest thing about his campaigns is they were long, but detailed. Kamala only had like 3 months and most of them were spent not taking questions or doing interviews. When she did, she couldn't come up with great answers on why her policies would either A) be different from Biden or B) not be what she promised when she ran in 2019/2020. To me, that was her downfall. I don't get you saying you loved Obama's manner, tone and language and then say America would prefer something different, when it wasn't Obama running, and Kamala is not close to Obama (who wasn't nearly as far left as Kamala is and/or was in her first presidential bid).
You didn't get what I was trying to say, and I own at least half of that disconnect. A. What I did not type: Many people say the rise of Trumpism is in response to the Obama presidency. Indeed, Trump is as different a figure from Obama as the human species could possibly imagine. Some people say it is in large part a racist response (i.e. see birtherism), but I've always said there is a class component too. I am a professor. I like hearing Obama talk. Some people (including family members of mine in TX, for instance), felt like he was snooty and lecturing them all the time. Who knows. B. Not in any way meaning to compare Kamala to Obama as candidates or campaigns. Like, not at all. No comparison. Kamala is not a big part of this equation to me. She represented steady-as-we-go neoliberalism and let's keep moving forward, etc, and I think -- separate from her as a candidate -- a lot of people want a different party message and direction. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe she was just a terrible candidate and the democrats otherwise had a great message. You make solid points about her poor articulations, or missed opportunities. C. I think America is very different in 2024 than in 2008. Tons of reasons. I agree with @Space Ghost , for instance, when he says populism is a very big factor now. (And I think much more now than in 2008.) We can disagree on all three of these. No problem. Just spitballing and thinking / posting out loud a bit.
Up until a week ago I was very nervous and then a few days before the election I felt a calm like Harris could actually do this and went from hopeful to hey, I think we might do this. I was nervous from the beginning last night, but I told myself that's how it works, red jumps out ahead and we come back later in the night, got up at 6am to see trump had won.......I was shocked, and I am still shocked. Talk about a slap in the face, but that's politics and also why EVERTIME I feel super confident in the Astros and Texans I go all in emotionally only to be kicked in the nads and then thinking, WTH were you thinking son LOL
I think it was a big deal back in 2008 too. Obama connected with a lot of people (not just by being black). He pitched "change we can believe in" during a time when majority of Americans thought we couldn't trust the government (Iraq war, "weapons of mass destruction", economy, etc.). During that campaign, the two sides sat down at town halls and fielded questions from the crowd. That was part of the charm. The chants of "yes we can" or "si se puede" is what I remember. And I don't think either one of them did a ton of name calling to the other side's supporters (John McCain famously telling a woman Obama was not a terrorist and was a good man). But he didn't go TOO FAR LEFT. The furthest he went left was on healthcare, and that honestly appealed to more than just democrat voters (although I think the outcome wasn't great...personally believe you have to be all in on free market, or all in on government control). He even wanted to reduce the number of abortions and not use federal funds to pay for them. I personally think Kamala was a "punt" by the democrats, hence no primaries or any kind of symbolic choosing of a candidate. Maybe it'll be Michelle Obama next time. But if they go "too far", it could be a similar outcome. I think most people just don't want to talk about some of the non-sense anymore (even though most of that non-sense doesn't affect nearly a majority of the population.
