It does matter. Trump, himself said when speaking to the group that wrote it, that they were coming up with policy his administration was going follow. We know Trump is either lying when he says he doesn't know what's in Project 2025 or he's lying when he says he's against it because it's too extreme. Because of Trump's dishonesty it absolutely matters.
For those who want to see for themselves how much of Project 2025 is in Agenda 47. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47
How crazy would it be if Trump gracefully conceded a loss on election night? Neither side would know how to react.
This is such a pants-on-head stupid comparison I refuse to believe you aren't secretly embarrassed to have said it. Lying about a candidate is as old as time and largely exists in a vacuum. Lying about elections is not normal in America and absolutely erodes the foundation of the country.
Soz I am not going to apologize about some ficticious outcome. #not soz You apparently believe it's ok for politicians to lie, obviously. Just because I am voting for Trump this election does not mean I condone his actions. He is still a terrible choice. Seriously dude, just stop telling me I am a bad human for picking between two pieces of garbage. You can vote for Harris if you want. I respect your opinion and I don't think you are a bad person and I don't think less of you. This is a huge issue why I am turned off by the left. Many of them continue to shame and villify those they disagree with. On this forum, I can only think of one moderate/right person who attacks people on a personal level. I can come up with at least a dozen on the left. I don't patrol the forums so I am sure there are more examples , so refrain from going all Major on me.
You are ascribing beliefs and attitudes to me that I do not hold, nor did I just express. I like you. You are one of my favorite "other team" posters and have been as such for a while. That said, your take was incredibly stupid. It's not a moral or character judgment. To put it in basketball terms, it's like someone getting away with a carry or travel vs. going Kermit Washington on somebody's face. Both are violations, but to put them on the same shelf is so lacking good sense as to beggar belief. I respect you enough to assume you probably said that without thinking about it enough, rather than you honestly believe it.
It is interesting to me that you think the discussion in this thread is tantamount to telling you that you are a “bad human”, “shame” and “vilification.” I said you don’t have regard for law and the truth because you dont care if trump lies on Tuesday night that he has won PA and Dems are cheating overnight, when the very laws passed by Republican legislators require the counting of ballots overnight and that mail in ballots can’t be counted till Election Day. The ideas of truth and law are clearly violated by such a claim by Trump, yet you seem to want people to just give it a pass instead of calling it what it is. Similarly, Donnie most said your comparison between that Trump lie and Harris saying Trump is pro P2025 and abortion ban is stupid, sufficiently so that he doesn’t think you actually believe it. Seems to me that you are thin skinned and tired of defending the indefensible, so you resort to victimhood. If you’re going to support Trump, it comes with a crap ton of lumps. Instead of acknowledging the obvious, you resort to victimhood, false equivalencies, and both side isms. Sorry, but at the adult table, those things are pretty weak, whether coming from a Harris supporter or Trump supporter.
I believe one of the fundamental differences is that I do not believe Trump is a threat to our Republic. I believe our Republic is very strong and in addition, I believe the President is nothing more than having home court advantage. Given the opportunity, most politicians will take advantage of unchecked power, but again, our country is largely protected against such. I would like nothing more than to see the Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes and Obamas to retire and leave government permanently after hey served their term. But yet, they remain very active and thus establishments are formed. Then we have Trump who continuously says inflammatory statements that serve nothing more than to divide. There are no good choices. But we are no where near where this country was in the first half of the 19th century. Freedoms and rights are still very strong compared to much of the world. The doom and gloom both sides love to paint is nothing but fear mongering.
I have clearly stated I do not share your terrifying views of Dictator Trump. There is absolutely no different between Trump accusing Democrats of rigging and cheating elections and the Democrats accusing Trump of colluding with Putin to over throw the country. Its unprofessional rhetoric from both sides. Again, I am not defending Trump. I do not think he is a good person. You're the one adamantly defending your team and claiming they are morally and ethically superior. There were several good Democrat candidates who would have stepped up if a speed round primary was put in place. Instead, Bidens campaign money was more important. Just run someone who can discuss policy.
I can't remember if it was a new PBS poll or a Christian Science poll or both, but: 2/3 of likely voters think that Trump will claim he has won even if he clearly loses. 1/3 of likely Trump voters think he will claim that he has won even if he clearly loses. LOL. That's not a ton of credit with the voting populace or even your inner sanctum.
At the risk of continuing a pointless discussion… You said you don’t care if Trump lies about winning PA tomorrow. And then you say it’s the same as Dems accusing Trump of colluding with Putin. And then you say they’re the same and equally bad. If you’re going to do that, then call Trump a liar and him calling a win in PA runs contrary to the law, and do the same with Dems accusing Trump of colluding with Putin. The way you have expressed your views, it seems that you simply don’t care anymore if they lie and blatantly misrepresent the law. It isn’t merely “unprofessional”. I disagree with you that the two are the same, but at least call each of them to be lies if that’s what you think and that it’s unacceptable. Lastly, the idea that Kamala has no policies is demonstrably false. Perhaps you don’t like her policies. That’s totally fine. But if you think she doesn’t have policies, that’s on you for being too lazy to simply read and/or believing soundbites from Fox News or Twitter. The fact that Kamala is not a great speaker and gives word salad … that is a legitimate criticism. But she does have policies, even if she is not the best communicator. All it takes is a three minutes on a google search to find her policies.
Really you can only think of one right-leaning person in this forum that lobs personal attacks. Just skimming the last few threads I can see several. I don’t deny at all that Left leaning people don’t lob insults but this is just more Grievance and victimhood pretending they the Right doesn’t do as much or more. The right likes to talk about toughness but they seem to cry more about harsh language used against even as they praise their candidate for insulting others.
It's basically impossible at this point because Trump's entire brand is based around grievance and conflict. If he did that, the revenue stream from his product/service grift dries up overnight. Literally will not happen even if he doesn't get a single ****ing vote.
I have heard that everybody wanted Roe overthrown ... and by everybody I mean just a handful of really old rich white guys who stay at my resorts and paid the rack rate ... who pays rack rate anymore for christ sakes..
