Have to look at most of the advanced metrics along with basic stats and most importantly observe with your eyes backed with knowledge of fundamental basketball offensive and defensive principles
Rockets are already a top 10 defense. Offense is the problem not the defense. FVV shooting 2/13 is a bigger problem than whatever Sengun didnt do on defense. Plus FVV wasnt that good defensively either so not sure why all this microscopic attention is on Sengun. Ever hard of Paretto principle?
Ya fair enough. Idk how many people can actually watch every team play 50-60+ games to make the eye test worth anything though
I think there’s a big contingent of fans here that watch the bulk of games including myself. I think the issue is many fans don’t understand the game so they rely on metrics and stats when arguing about player performance (@Bobbythegreat). But that’s ok if people don’t understand or never played organized ball. There’s videos, online articles, and books and even playing pickup games can help to understand Fundamental principles. Plus ryan hollins in game analysis.
How do you have time to watch that many games? I’ll watch most rockets games and some of the better matchups but i’m not watching every team play 50+ games, some teams i’ll see twice
Read it wrong. Thought u said 50-60 Rockets games. I only watch the bulk of Rockets games and assess Rockets players closely. Other players I assess based on the sporadic games I watched them in and youtube breakdowns.
You don't but I do watch snippets of 5 minutes and most highlights and lowlights. As an overall fan of the NBA. You also want to see what the best Offenses and Defenses in the league do..... And if I have time, probably some Euro League highlights not that often.
I wish more people understood this. "Metrics" are worthless without the rest of it, they are not the be all and end all of anything. Ironically, they were never even supposed to be, long before basketball jumped on the hype train (Morey) when it was a baseball "moneyball" thing the idea was never "this is the be all and end all of talent evaluation." The ACTUAL use is for making informed decisions to leverage cheaper/non-superstar talent and make overachieving rosters based on synergy and tendencies, rather than "these are the best players." Metrics won't find you an MJ, they fall down completely because heart/drive/determination/mentality/intangibles can't be recorded that way. What they will find you is a niche roleplayer (or group of niche roleplayers) where if you put them in a specific situaiton/role to maximise that niche ability they do at near star level they should overachieve their overall talent level. That's actually what moneyball/moreyball "metrics" excel at, not overall talent evaluation. It's blatantly clear which metrics-whores have never actually read moneyball or most of the actual materials describing use of those "metrics" and instead try and live and die by them to cover up from complete lack of understanding of even fundamental basketball principles...
There is simply no good metric publicly available to accurately measure individual defense. Judging a player's defense is mostly by eye test.
I think that matches the eye test that FVV is by far the weakest link in the starters. Of course the sample size is small though, FVV's only usually off the court for about 2 mins lol
That’s why teams still have scouts who still observe with trained eyes. Like I’ve said what does right look like in terms of basketball principles? How do you know a player is “bad” if you don’t know or haven’t defined what right or “good” looks like?
Offense just flows quicker with Amen or Jalen handling the Rock especially in transition. They get into their sets quicker.
Yeah I agree 100% Metrics never replaced traditional scouting or even statistics, they were added to them. Those who think metrics are the only thing that matter show quite obviously they've never played the sport, or often, any sports at all at any kind of level. Those are the same people who don't even look at regular statistics either and just dismiss them with "those aren't metrics" like that actually wins them any kind of argument lol.
If you look at player Def rating it’s quite subjective on what it counts as stops and missed FG’s due to defense etc. And just like per 36, per 100 it’s just an estimate that doesn’t account for things like pace. TS% is especially dumb because it doesn’t tell you anything you don’t already know by looking at their EFG% and ind 3pt% 2pt% and attempts. Who knows what PER is even supposed to measure. Sounds good though. Basketball is pretty simple. Observe with the eyes on the basis of knowledge of the game. Ex: If Warriors trap and load up strong side then Rockets needed to rotate weak side and have more players cutting to the rim. Jalen tried to beat them strong side. That doesn’t work. He needed to find the screener or a wing for a quick hit then that guy was supposed to make the extra pas to a cutter etc. Or look for cross court passes etc. Jalen isn’t a bad passer but he doesn’t have great vision. Amen likely would have made those types of passes. Numbers don’t give you this background.
Let's be honest "VORP" is an estimate made against a non-existent player, it's a fairly ridiculous concept like many of these "metrics" which essentially boil down to "random math based on estimates that the creator has declared are more important than actual statistics." And people actually put stock in that? Morey really did a number on how some people view basketball tbh. Most of these "advanced metrics" are based on the bias of the person who created the formula and how they weight specific areas of the game. PER is literally "a number made up of the things John Hollinger considers the best for evaluating players put into a convoluted math formula" and people take that as more important than the counting stats a player puts up? John Hollinger doesn't decide who wins the games, the counting stats do. Nobody ever seems to consider that all these formulas really are is a way for said person to try and make themselves seem more intelligent, all you have to do is keep tweaking your formula until the end result roughly corresponds to the eye test/consensus about certain players and everybody will eat it up. It's mathematical self-masturbation, not real player evaluation.
No he's bad at defense. He doesn't move his feet & he doesn't understand defensive angles. His physicality also lacks at times. Gets scored on easy & too foul prone
He IS the help defense lol Translation he sucks at defending. The team is hurting with him out there right now. No excuses he's got to step up with that new contract
