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The 2024 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Vance is very well-spoken, whether you agree with him or not.
     
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    For a fantasy Fulbright scholar, you have problems with basic reading. Or you problems with twisting what people say to justify your intellectual dishonesty.

    I called one Jewish person a piece of human trash. Do you dispute that Miller is human trash?

    Are you saying Jewish people as a whole are entirely incapable of being human trash, therefore Miller cannot be human trash?

    You are just like people who make bogus claims of racism and in doing so hurt the cause of extinguishing racism. Just substitute antisemitism and that’s you.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes.
     
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    You are still the person who screams antisemitism at everything and hurts the cause of combating antisemitism. You do it every day, all over this board. It is pathetic.
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    My standards for well spoken would be to tell the truth in a way that treats the listener like adults and pierce through whatever trap the interviewer has laid. It's old school and maybe going out of style like learning cursive writing.

    His playbook on MSM appears to be so exhaust the opposition with deflection and half truths, present it as a game to the viewer where he's "fighting for his side," and keeping a cool attitude while doing it. It drags out the interview time with bullshit fluff which turns off undecideds and the other side while earning him credit with Trump as someone who is useful enough to carry his dump trucks of soiled diapers.

    I get the MSM will jump on any distraction and hold republicans a higher standard for half truths but not taking any responsibility for mistakes is a red flag for deeper issues.
     
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    Do you think Vivek Ramaswamy is well-spoken?
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    I haven't paid much attention to Ramaswampy for months. Maybe his approach to dealing with the media as VP candidate would be different than JD or he handles it better in my eyes.
     
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    According to Jason Islas, in the summer between middle and junior high, Miller told him, “I can't be your friend anymore because you are Latino.” According to Islas, the two never spoke again, though he hasn’t lost much sleep over the demise of their friendship. “[It] didn't bother me, because the fact that Miller rejected me because I am Latino showed me he was pretty much worthless,”

    Charles Gould, Miller’s schoolmate from first to 12th grade, “[Miller] was an unabashed racist. No, I’m not being oversensitive and no, I’m not using the 'r' word where it doesn’t apply. In private conversations he was constantly making disparaging remarks about the African American, Latino and Asian students at our school.”

    Classmate Natalie Flores, who grew up with Miller said that Miller seemed to have “an intense hatred toward people of color, especially toward Latinos.” She added, “I think his big problem was the Latinos. He thought they lived off welfare.”

    “[It] was not just that he targeted minority students, and played a victim on a regular basis, but was an *******,” Ari Rosmarin

    Miller himself in high school wrote -

    “When I entered Santa Monica High School...I noticed a number of students lacked basic English skills. There are usually very few, if any, Hispanic students in my honors classes, despite the large number of Hispanic students that attend our school. Even so, pursuant to district policy, all announcements are written in both Spanish and English. By providing a crutch now, we are preventing Spanish speakers from standing on their own...”
    He goes on to gripe about condoms in his school (“Legally speaking, sex between minors is statutory rape”), the presence of a student LGBT group (“[W]e have a club on campus that will gladly help foster their homosexuality”), reverence for Native Americans (“excusing their scalping of frontiersmen as part of their culture”) and the lack of praise for the U.S. military (“Osama Bin Laden would feel very welcome at Santa Monica High School.”)

    Oscar de la Torre, his former high school counselor, says Miller frequently claimed that because he—a white male—didn’t experience racism or sexism, students of color were making it up. “He didn’t believe the oppression existed,” de la Torre told the Times. “This guy is 17 years old, and it’s like listening to someone who’s 70 years old—in the 1930s.”

    During a summit to address African American and Latino issues, Miller showed up with the message that the room was delusional and he knew better. “He wanted to sabotage us,” de la Torre told the Times. “He confronted everyone, denying that racism existed. He said that was a thing of the past.”

    Miller was described by John Burness, the former senior vice president of public affairs and government relations at Duke: “He’s the most sanctimonious student I think I ever encountered. He seemed to be absolutely sure of his own views and the correctness of them, and seemed to assume that if you were in disagreement with him, there was something malevolent or stupid about your thinking. Incredibly intolerant.”

    He palled around with white supremacist and recently punched neo-Nazi Richard Spencer.

    When Miller was an undergrad and Spencer was working on a Ph.D. he was too racist to finish (no really, he dropped out to found a racist “think tank”), the two became buddies as members of the Duke Conservative Union. Together, they worked on an event featuring Peter Brimelow, founder of the virulently xenophobic VDARE and a notable hate-scene fixture with his very own SPLC page. Spencer told the Daily Beast he was a “mentor” to Miller, saying he “spent a lot of time with him at Duke...I hope I expanded his thinking.”

    Spencer, who has lauded Miller as “very bold and strong,” said ahead of the election, “It's funny no one's picked up on the Stephen Miller connection. I knew him very well when I was at Duke. But I am kind of glad no one's talked about this because I don't want to harm Trump."

    For the record, Miller has said the two were merely members of the same club and that they fell out of touch after graduation.

    14. Another white nationalist is also a big fan, as is David Duke.

    In a piece titled “Stephen Miller is David Duke’s Favorite Jew,” Forward picks up recent tweets from the former Klansman applauding Miller. “I can’t help it, I like this guy,” Duke states in one message.

    Jared Taylor, whose anti-black output was a favorite of racist murderer Dylann Roof, reportedly also namechecked Miller. The Washington Post points to a post by Taylor which notes that Trump’s lack of white racial consciousness is helped by “men close to him — Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions, Stephen Miller — who may have a clearer understanding of race, and their influence could grow.”
     
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    Fast talker.

    It depends on what you mean by well spoken.... I think that he thinks quickly and speaks quickly. I believe he is also bright - but he comes across like a used car salesman.
     
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    Gee, no wonder why Trump made him one of his senior advisors on policy. Sounds like the kind of right wing racist Trump would approve of.
     
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    His tweet is correct anyway.
     
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    If you can watch that MSG **** and still lean in, I do NOT want to have a beer with you ever…to the rest of you, Sláinte! We’re a nation of immigrants…I’m far removed from my family being immigrants, but I grew up being well aware of it Irish af. Blood doesn’t connect us. Only the “rule book…we call it the Constitution..so don’t smile and nod your head at me you son of a b****.”

     
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    like I said, miller is human trash
     
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    There are a lot of used car salesmen in politics.

    I don't think many at the highest level has the gall to overrepresent the number of haitians in a city, lie about what they eat, and deliberately redefine and miscategorize their legal status despite overwhelmingly indisputable facts consistently and beyond the news cycle of discovery, outrage, fact finding, and final resolution.

    If anything, it feels like hazing for making/maintaining lies bigger than Trump having the election stolen from him
     
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  16. MadMax

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    I just read your Navajo sig and that’s fantastic…and terrifyingly relevant.
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    Why do modern Democrats these days feel the need to insult people who disagree with them. We witness this rampant behavior on these forums. Hillary called the deplorables. Biden calls them garbage. This is the party of inclusion. Pathetic

     
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    Emptiest of empty vessels.

     
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    I mean they have already called everyone who disagrees with them 'nazis' and 'racists' . I feel like 'garbage' is more tame than that. Its a step in the right direction
     
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