The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

I was puzzled at 42 million myself because that is straight up murder.......and someone (Ime Udoka) must have been severely in love with Toronto Van Vleet to thirsting for that guy.

This is like paying 30 year old Steve Francis back in the day a max contract.......to babysit rookies and sophomores.

Of course he is going do it......and keep in mind Freddie was undrafted, he never seen such kind of money. That money is wasted if Fred is either injured heavily or has a bad year.

 

None of those players played a significant role in those playoffs with Golden State. Porter may have had a couple of moments with big defensive stops and threes in that Boston series but he only played 20 min or less sitting out 3 games avg about 5 ppg. Even so he is still a vet with Championship experience.

Fred played over 20 and over 30 the last 2 series against the Bucks and Warriors scoring about 15 ppg. He was a key guy in those 2 series and earned more trust from Nurse. He was in the lineup for Green and played huge minutes, scored and shot lights out last 3 games or so. They could not have won without his contributions on both ends.

You seem to discount the knowledge and experience of Champions. Its a different level of play. Being on a championship team and environment is a different culture of excellence where standards are higher, best practices are different, the mindset and intensity to win is different. Harden has never won nothing but he was on one great Rocket team in 17-18 thats close to a championship team. Players that won a title know exactly what it takes in all aspects of the season.

 

Im fact Unk Jeff also a Champion was likely brought here for the same reason. He knows the mental and physical preparation. He knows the level of intensity, the focus, and team effort it takes to win. You don’t fully know what it takes until you achieved it. Don’t discount guys like Unk Jeff or Kenny the Jet either.

 

I'm not discounting them, I'm just saying that neither of them has more of an impact on a team than a Harden type player just because they have a ring. Rings are great, they don't instantly make a lesser talent better than the great players who never had one.

 

You have a point, the Sacramento Kings actually made Kenny Smith more than a role player.

Kenny actually made the Final round of the Dunk Contest and only lost to Nique Wilkins.
And made All Rookie team.

He could score a little, shoot a lot and dunk a little.

 

If they offered him money 100% he was going to be here. He would make sengun look better.

 

Harden mentored Cam Thomas…Harden mentored Maxey…Harden stayed with the bigs in LAC after practice so they could perfect the PnR

Harden makes everyone’s life easier and knows how to run and organize an offense

Rockets went 9 minutes without a bucket yesterday against the damn Spurs…Harden just went into Denver and got a W

all this “leadership” from Fred…man, please stop it

 

This was my point. All those guys are better athletically than the 2017-2018 roster. Tucker, Ariza, Mbah a Moute, and Capela were good because of Harden. Harden would make the players on this team so much better.

 

I agree somewhat but remember that was a different system with players that had different skillsets. Sengun is not a deep roll guy since he can’t jump and not a lob threat. He’s a great short roll guy and facilitator. Bari, Tari, Brooks can all dribble drive and more dynamic than those guys at the 4 and 3 in 17-18 but not as good shooting. Rockets played a lot of 1 and 4 iso or high screen with a lob threat and really good shooters who makes timely threes. This current team doesn’t do that. I do agree even with this he can make the team better offensively with his cross court passing, interior passing, and knowing where everyone is on the floor.

 

Y'all forget Harden took on a leadership role and dominated in Houston the whole time he was here? People can say he sucks in the playoffs, but he's proven that he can get there. Just because he likes strip clubs doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to lead the team. FVV may be more "mature" but that doesn't equate to wins.

Harden tried to come here. Rockets could have had a superstar without giving up any assets - who'd make the entire team better and more efficient - but chose a player most Toronto fans couldn't wait to get rid of.. and they're paying him more. FVV's not a franchise guy and not worth $42 million. Harden's paid less and would help sell out more games, season tickets and merchandise. They'd get more national televised games as well.

Harden >>>>>> FVV is every way imaginable.

 

None of the 2017-2018 were elite shooters, they were all around 36%, and probably would have been much worse without the defense collasping on Harden. You are right Sengun is not the dunker that Capela was, but Sengun also have an offensive skillset that Capela could never attempt. You could figure it out with those 2 guys if you had a good coach. Ime is definitely not that guy.

 

lol, Harden has folded under less pressure.

 

You mean like Fred's folded under the pressure of (let me just check...one second..oh..that's right) playing a season opener against that super imposing team...The Hornets?

 

Extremely better... and when you have a superstar on the team it's much easier to attract free agents and disgruntled stars wanting out. Get the star and worry about the rest later.

Sengun may be the only Rocket who wouldn't benefit the most on offense from Harden being on the team, but Sengun would help Harden get some easy looks. The team overall would be much better from top to bottom.

 

I never said elite. I said they were better, which they were. Both Ariza and Tucker were corner 3 specialists which was what that system designed for. Tucker shot over 38% from the corners in 17-18 and Ariza shot over 42%. They also hit timely shots when we needed it which is key to being a great 3 pt shooter.

 

Is he now though? With a broken down Kawhi and PG gone?

 

Who is he contending with right now?

this was literally Harden the other day with Kai Jones, a bench player…



all this talk about FVV is laughable