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Cam Whitmore putting in work

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Sep 12, 2023.

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Is he ready with a bigger role and more responsibilities AKA minutes - this early

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  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. Easy

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    A lot of so-called BBIQ is personality (how you approach and react to things) and processing speed (how fast your mind can process a situation and make the right decision). Those two things are extremely difficult to change.

    Processing speed can be improved marginally by repetition. But it would be mechanical rather than spontaneous. Personality may (just may) change... over a very long time.

    Almost no player has perfect physical attributes. Everyone has limitations. Smart players know how to leverage what they have to maximize their games. Look at the top players in the league, None of them are the fastest, the strongest, or the tallest.
     
  2. AlperenSengun

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    Green is probably 3 years away from a consistent march green, which I think is a very good outcome. Anybody expecting march green this season is set up for disappointment imo. We just need to be patient and ask for consistent improvement with him.
     
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  3. SamFisher

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    "My experience in neurospsychology and biomechanics tells me that...." - c'mon you're literally just pulling articles out of the Journal of Makeshitupology.

    Considering that nobody is "born" with BBIQ (whatever it is defined as) - it seems silly to say you have deciphered the secret of its mutability and you have compared to X, Y, and Z, and found it to be LESS MUTABLE

    You dont' know that, neither do I. You're just making it up. Seems to me it's a learned skill unlike say, height.
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    Green is eligible for a major extension after this season. Rockets basically have to decide early in the season if they are are going to trade him or not before he hits RFA. The Rockets have almost run out of time to be patient.
     
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    March Green is a Tatum level player. Borderline all NBA first team, solid all NBA second team level player.

    At age 25 being that level player is definitely a good outcome even for a second overall pick.
     
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    There is a difference than March level Green for an entire season and Jalen Green playing at a level that deserves a max contract. March level Green for an entire season is a "super max level player" as in a player on their rookie contract that gets a all-nba selection. You qualify for a supermax at that point. So no, Green doesn't have to play like March the entire season. He just really needs to up his efficiency to league average or above and sustain the level of defense he played post asb last season.
     
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    Yes, what I am saying is the march green is not a realistic expectation. Progress will be slow and imo it might be still worth to bet on him, hopefully with something less than the max, to get that kind of performance a couple years later. Though, I am almost sure some other team will give him the max to bet on him.
     
  8. Joe Joe

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    True. I would count this as March Green is real as it is much closer to March Green than most his other months. I don't expect him to be that good 24-7, but being a high usage player with average efficiency is pretty valuable and at his age would be pretty sweet.
     
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    March Green, stat to stat, is too high a bar. I would just need to see him show it is not a complete fluke and that he no longer will regularly have months with a TS% around 50% or less.
     
  10. Easy

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    If it's a learned skill, why hasn't every player learned? It's not sophisticated science. It's just commonsense. There are non-physical aspects of the game that just can't be significantly improved no matter how much you practice. Otherwise there would have been a whole lot more great players then what we have seen. Most players want to be great if they could.
     
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    Every player has learned. Nobody comes out of the womb knowing how to play basketball.

    Let's get real, there's lots of guys in the NBA who people deem as "having low bball iq" - but you know what? They have a billion times better concepts of how to play the game than you and me. It's not just athletic ability that separates you and some rim running center, he is able to diagnose a situation on teh court faster and better than you and me.

    Just because Russell Westbrook likes to take 3's becuase he always has limitless confidence in his shooting abilities - doesn't mean it's inherently difficult to learn efficient shot selectoin.

    The fact that the league has moved towards more efficient shot selection over time seems to indicate that players are being effectively taught to change their behavior over time (ironically, no notable "high iq" plalyers in the past like realized that 3 > 2) , for which Russ' notable resistance serves as an exception that proves the rule.

    I don't think it's diffiult for most NBA palyers to learn good shot selection and to be role players - that's the way the bulk of the league makes its living - despite them all having been stars at every other level they played at.
     
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    IMO, Cam isn't like most NBA players. Some of the stuff he's done is exceptionally clownish and dumb.

    We just have to wait and see.
     
  13. Joe Joe

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    Most of the NBA are developed to have good shot selections and to be role players. Most of these guys are busts.

    High usage guys with poor shot selections tend to either become great players as they figure out how to be more efficient while taking a lot of shots or they end up high usage, low efficiency guys on teams that aren't contenders. High usage guys with low efficiency don't become low usage role players with high efficiencies very often. Maybe, it is easy, but teams are unwilling to try to develop players to be something else once they start making real money.

    Maybe I have anecdotel bias going on.
     
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    I think I read a couple of your points incorrectly.

    I think some skills can be learned. I don't think it is easy like you say. I don't think it is easy for guys to get PT to change once they are off their rookie contract which doesn't apply to Cam.

    I think Cam is overly aggressive. I actually liked his preseason even if it didn't help the Rockets win preseason games. He worked on his game such that he tried to stay aggressive. He worked on his handles trying to become even more of a threat to score, but also worked on his passing when teams tried to take advantage of his handles.

    I don't see Cam becoming a high IQ BB player. I can see him learning things that help him develop. I see his game developing from him just applying tons of rim pressure, and forcing teams to respond allowing him to have easier reads.

    I don't care about body language that some have used against Cam. Body language is more important for leaders. I see Cam being the type of guy that leads by puitting pressure on the rim and making baskets.
     
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    Hey, I agree that I wouldn't have the bbiq to make a living in the NBA even if I had LeBron's body. :D

    I guess we have different definitions on what BBIQ is. I am pretty sure I have seen more BBIQ in some elementary kids than some grown up players. Like most art forms, some fundamentals have to be learned. But the ability to effectively use those fundamentals depends largely on inborn talents that cannot be taught.
     
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    Free Cam Whitmore.
     
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    When is Cam going to get his chance?
     
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    When he starts shooting closer to 40% from long range instead of 6.25%.

    Cam can't do anything else particularly well and his b-ball IQ is very low. When his sweet outside stroke returns, so will his spot in the rotation.
     

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