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You Guys Debating Fascism Should Ask....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Oct 23, 2024.

  1. HTM

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    "the actual question" - what actual question? Some question you just decided to pose is now the "actual question" Why? Because you decided it was?

    You're not answering my questions. So, no, I'm not going to answer some new question you just decided to pose after refusing to answer my questions.

    What freedoms or rights of yours were curtailed during the Trump administration? - It's ok for you to admit none of your rights or freedoms were curtailed by the Trump Administration.

    What Nazi/Hitlerite/fascist policies did you endure under the Trump Administration? - Please describe these policies and how they effected you...

    Was life so horrible cerca 2016-2020? Well? Tell us how it was different in 2018 as opposed to 2014 or 2022. We're all ears.
     
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    So far the only thing you've argued for is basically "Donald Trump didn't successfully create a new fascist regime that took over the country" You haven't once engaged with the actual question: Is the maga movement a fascist movement? Were Brown shirts in the 1920s a fascist movement even though there was still a Weimar Republic? A unsuccessful fascist is still a fascist. And a unsuccessful fascist is still someone who should never be anywhere close to any type of responsibility of others and power.
     
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    One shouldn’t just look at the first term and assume he poses no additional threat to the country on a second go round.

    He was constrained the first time around by people in his own administration. He is now 8 years older — in evident cognitive decline, unable to discern facts from internet BS — and he is promising to surround himself with people who will not restrain him while benefitting from a Supreme Court that has given him broad immunity against criminal prosecution for “official acts” that no one can quite define.

    The first Trump term was bad — he wasn’t a good President and he utterly disgraced himself and the office with the way he exited. A second term will undoubtedly be worse. The only saving grace, I guess, is that he (probably) wouldn’t try to run again in another 4 years. But who knows how much damage he’ll do before then and how much more toxic and dysfunctional our politics will become as a result.
     
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    Don't answer the questions then. We get it. You cannot point to a single thing.
     
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    Most everyone looks at the first term of a politician when considering what a second term will look like.

    It's the most reasonable thing in the world to do.
     
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    Yea......it's actually trumps generals that are saying these negative things, you know, the ones that actually worked with him in the WH. I think I will rely on these highly regarded Military folks who have nothing to gain by telling the truth. Not to mention the hundreds of lower ranking officials along with his own VP.....................there all just RINO`s I am sure :D

    13 Ex-Trump Officials Back John Kelly’s Fascist Warnings

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ascist-warnings/ar-AA1sVw7E?ocid=BingNewsSerp
     
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    The first term was many institutions having the power based on the people appointed in those positions to push back... Checks and balances right? You understand that concept. The Nazis took over a country that was a Democratic Republic for what? 15 years or so?

    Donald Trump is merely a fascist who was elected to a office that is surrounded by multi century institutions that have far more ingrained systems of checks and balances that can suppress fascist inclinations of the the chief executive of the executive branch.
     
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    And those institutions and systems of checks and balances still exist.

    So, even if Trump is elected President, he will be constrained by those safeguards.

    And your life will float along just fine just like it did cerca 2016-2020.

    You'll still be able to tune into far left MSNBC 24/7 365.
    You'll still be able promote your far left agenda 50 times a day on Clutchfans.
    You'll still be able to freely associate, speak, petition, assemble.
    You'll still get your vote in the 2026 mid term elections.

    etc etc. :rolleyes:
     
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    Hopefully. But thanks for reaefiming for now multiple hours your only defense of Trump being a fascist is "the government will find a way to prevent his fascist tendencies".

    Cool. But we simply don't have to have him as president to test it. Seems like a reasonable thing. A presidential candidate is a fascist. Let's not support that person even if the government can suppress it.

    Which begs the question why would anyone vote for Trump then if his fascist policy desires won't be enacted anyways?

    You just are so eager for someone with the presidential bully pulpit to spread more blood libel of some random ethnic group to hate for the week?
     
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    It is reasonable to look at the first term if the same people will be in charge. If all the advisors and secretaries who restrained him the first time around are now gone and he is intent on appointing only yes men this time — then, no, it’s not reasonable to assume it will be the same.
     
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    :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Trump was President for 4 years. If he wanted only "yes" men, he could started out by only appointing "yes" men from the very first day or he could have recognized "aides and secretaries who restrained him" weren't "yes" men within 1 month of entering office, fired them and hired "yes" men to replace them.

    He held all the power in that regard, so the idea that, this time, it's going to be radically different, is nonsense. He had all the power to do last time what you're claiming he's going to do this time and it simply didn't transpire that way.
     
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    lol - lmao even. Simply unhinged the way your mind wanders. Take your meds.
     
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    Ran out of talking points?
     
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    So are we to believe Trump or not is the question. He is saying he is going to do things he has never said before. I keep being told he is the bastion of truth by the right so should I belive him now?
     
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    Na you’ve just gone completely off the boil trying to put words in my mouth and I’m not going to bother responding to your lies and misrepresentations.
     
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    How about researching the transition to the Trump presidency. He was wholly unprepared. He didn't believe he would win. He had no idea he had to hire an entire staff. He ramped up at the last minute. He hired people. Then fired them. Then hired more people. Then fired them. Repeat. In the last 1.5 years he was in office he mostly got the people he wanted. Those loyal to him and not the country. Then after he lost, he fired more who told him his election claims were a lie. Now for the last 3.5 years he and his handlers prepared. His VP running mate and previous advisors came up with Project 2025. Did Hitler get it right the first time he tried? Nope. He went to jail. Then surrounded himself with other people who had the same goals and were smarter than he was. Then he came back and became the Hitler we all know. I'm not saying Trump is going to start a Holocaust. He won't. However he will break all the Constitutional norms. It is the same rhetoric. Hitler used Jews as his scapegoat. Trump is using different groups. So when people say "Trump has no issues with Jews". Well no ****. However, Trump is saying the same **** just :::insert different people:::
     
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    Ya man I need some lithium because I don't want a dude who says "I saw it on TV" to defend blood libel claims of entire ethnicities having the Presidential bully pulpit.

    I'm sincerely trying to understand what I'm misrepresenting of your views?

    Are your talking points to defend the claim that Donald Trump is not a racist or are your talking points for defending the notiot that Donald Trump's fascism will have little to no impact if he's president again because of our institutions?

    From what I gather it's the later?
     
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    Yup you’re headed to the concentration camp. It’s all over. Hope you had a good run.
     

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