People that talk about Trump supporters are usually racists and classists

Yea, except that's just all made up conjecture in your mind I never said any of it.

She was the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016, she's not a random. She lied and promoted a GOP conspiracy theory on national television.

If you think Trump lying and promoting conspiracy theories is disqualifying did you also hold that same standard when you supported Hillary in the 2016 Presidential election?

 

the right-winger attacks from rush limbaugh and others started long before lewinsky. limbaugh was even calling 12 year old chelsea a dog back in 1992.

yes, and its also true that right wingers were going after her from the very beginning. both things can be true.

 

Hillary’s credibility >>>>> Trump’s

It’s not even a discussion…

 

These cucks are so full of it and that’s why no one with a brain will take them seriously. Lol

 

Lol you can’t even pay your bet. Your people are poisoning our country

 

Lol. Trump started off his term lying about his crowd size. What a coward.

 

many people died because of trump hes a pos. he is such a pos that his lies about the election being stolen got his own supporters killed and even cops beaten up and killed.

 

And I've been called a racist. Obama was called a racist. Both Clintons, Biden, and Harris too. I wonder if there is anyone in America hasn't been called a racist. I think you've set the bar too low.

 

And people who support affirmative action are "racists". This is a long-standing conservative talking point.

 

The scope, scale and systematic nature of Democrats, from the very top of the party, to the media, to the ground level, calling Republicans racists in the 21st century is not in any way comparable to what you think Republicans have done the other way. You're trying to "both sides" it when you very well know that's disingenuous.

You also very well know that an accusation of racism in 21st century America can be professionally and socially disastrous and the closest analogue is pedophile.

Democrats throw the term around like crumbs at a duck pond though and it's contributed mightily to burning the national discourse to the ground. You cannot have rapprochement when someone places the most charged and vulgar term, which "racist" constitutes in 21st century America, on you.

 

No, there has been plenty of name calling and the use of "racist" by the Republicans, especially the last 8-9 years. At this point discussions of race are more common in right wing social media than the left, which is something that I never thought would happen - but it has.

Also - part of the reason that Republicans have been called out for bigoted behavior has been because they have been more likely to support bigoted causes or positions.

No - no it isn't.

If the Left is calling everyone racist then by definition it isn't as bad as being compared to a pedophile - because everyone isn't compared to a pedophile.

Racism can also be institutional - because it exists to some degree through out society, it isn't novel of the stigma that you seem to think it is.

You are conservative - this is probably your perspective, but there is every bit as much ammunition and use of nasty terminology to paint liberals as there is conservatives.

What I do find odd though is that conservatives are no longer "pull yourself up by your boot straps" types of people, now they complain more than any group of people over the decade or so.

 

No. I'm not saying 'well Republicans toss that term around too!' I'm saying that your allegation that John McCain or Mitt Romney were targets of career-destroying, socially-disastrous accusations of racism is wrong (Bush, after Katrina and the War on Terror, drew more fire). I'm sure you would be able to find some accusation that some famous person leveled at those people if you looked. But, there isn't any mainstream liberal acceptance that those guys are racists. Someone calling you a racist doesn't automatically trigger the destruction of your social and political life. Likewise, for a private citizen who voted for McCain or even for Trump, some liberal saying that means he's a racist because he voted for an alleged (or confirmed) racist also does not trigger that person's social and professional destruction. If he were to go on to defend his decision by saying a bunch of racist stuff himself, he might end up convincing people he should be ostracized.

So I can't accept the premise this thread is built on. Interpersonally, I agree that being called a racist shuts down a conversation about as quick as saying racist crap can. But, in the national dialogue, accusations of racism that lack credibility don't have much mainstream impact. When you do see impact -- as we do now with Trump -- it's because it's widely seen as credible, which might be the result of it being actually true.

I also can't really accept the remedy you suggest here, that somehow liberals make the first move toward reconciliation by not calling people racists. Of course I don't think people should make spurious accusations like that. But, people should also not be silent in the face of real racism. And then, who is to be the arbiter to say an accusation was justified or not. How about people say what they're going to say and we accept whatever messy results we get.

 

For most of my life, Republicans have called Democrats commies, welfare queens, baby-killers and un-American. Most of the examples they use to justify these slurs are completely made-up - for example, the welfare queen was actually a white female con-artist, not an actual recipient of welfare based on need. Similarly, the whole "liberal hippies spitting on Vietnam vets" accusation lacks a single verified incident, yet it is still held up as proof of Democrats' anti-solider bias.

Anyone who claims the Democrats are somehow more poisonous than Republicans is delusional. Name me one Democrat who has been as poisonous to good faith political dialogue as Ronald Reagan, Lee Attwater, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson, Mitch McConnell, Karl Rove or Donald Trump. That's right....you can't.

So I repeat - Republicans are the bad guys and not just in a villainous sense: they're bad at all aspects of governance as well.

 

Stop lying. You know that the Democratic establishment/media/members of the party have all viciously attacked every major Republican of the 21st century as a racist well before Trump.

John McCain Treatment:

No matter: Ezra Klein said the McCain campaign was “running crypto-racist ads.” Bill Press called it “deliberately and deceptively racist.” John Marshall argued that “the McCain campaign is now pushing the caricature of Obama as a uppity young black man whose presumptuousness is displayed not only in taking on airs above his station but also in a taste for young white women.” Don Lemon accused the campaign of “creating a political environment that is inciting hate and hate speech.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...r-mccain-is-warranted-but-where-was-it-in-08/

This is the language of prominent persons in the Democratic establishment/media landscape. Folks with public positions who you would hope/expect would be most guarded in their language. Now imagine the language and rhetoric of the base in that time period.

Unbelievable to sit here today and act like Democrats haven't accused every major Republican figure of the 21st century of being a racist and/or that's not problematic to the nation.

 

You were there. You very well know every major Republican politician of the 21st century has been viciously and systematically attacked as a racist by the Democratic establishment/media/base from GWB to McCain to Romney to Rubio etc etc.

You very well know how fraught and problematic being accused of racism is for anyone in a business or social context in the 21st century in the United States is.

If you want to deny these things, you're lying and cool, knock yourself out.

 

Yeah - I don't really remember Romney or McCain being called racist. In the case of Romney he was labeled as a blue blood that was out of touch with the American people. With McCain he was labeled as old and temperamental.... GW Bush? I mostly remember him being labeled as stupid or simple... there were a lot of depictions of him like a monkey.

Donald Trump has certainly been labeled a racist based on what he has said - and a lot of people do believe he is a racist....

I remember Republicans claiming that Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster and killed a number of other people...... I remember Kerry being entirely unfairly having his bravery and service questioned when everyone involved knew that wasn't the case at all.... to the point there is actually a term for it: "Swift boating".... I remember Republicans claiming that Barack Obama was from Africa and not an American.... and oddly, Republicans love defining race for people- because now both Obama and Harris has been told by the Right that they are not black.... I remember tropes about Harris sleeping her way to the top and that she is stupid - after crushing Trump at the debate.

So you keep on keeping on with your selective memory.

Yeah - being labeled a racist, between 2000 and 2015 was not a good thing..... but no, it isn't on par with pedophilia ....... and being a victim of racism isn't fun either, and it has and still does happen quite often. Indeed the current Republican nominee has done this often.... sometimes if you don't want to be labeled a racist, don't act racist....

You too - keep throwing that selective memory pity party - because both parties are very similar and use similar lines of attack. Speaking of rbeing labeled a pedo - Joe Biden I am sure enjoyed that label being put on him unfairly.

 

It's sad to see you lie like this. You "don't remember" GWB, McCain or Romney being called or portrayed as a racist. Ok.

John McCain Treatment:

No matter: Ezra Klein said the McCain campaign was “running crypto-racist ads.” Bill Press called it “deliberately and deceptively racist.” John Marshall argued that “the McCain campaign is now pushing the caricature of Obama as a uppity young black man whose presumptuousness is displayed not only in taking on airs above his station but also in a taste for young white women.” Don Lemon accused the campaign of “creating a political environment that is inciting hate and hate speech.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...r-mccain-is-warranted-but-where-was-it-in-08/

You don't remember Kanye saying GWB doesn't care about black people and the national conversation around that. Or the conversation around Bush and Middle Eastern persons? Right. Sure you don't.

 

I don't doubt that there were people in the press that called McCain racist - but I honestly don't remember it happening. I remember the media depicting him as a war monger and out of touch. If you would like, I am sure I can find someone calling Democrat candidates racist if you would like..... as for Kanye, he isn't in the media - and a lot of people (including Mike Meyers) were shocked he said what he said ---- Kanye is also black, and he said that Bush doesn't like black people..... so I don't really see how that is even remotely relevant.

I think that the media was relentless with GWB, they portrayed him as stupid, low IQ and as the puppet of his VP. I felt the portrayal wasn't fair (although his lie on WMD is a massive issue), but I don't really remember him being called racist very often.

Trump has certainly been called racist - at times justified based on his statements - at other times I have felt not justified.... but his own statements and actions opened the door for that to happen.

For every example of claims of racism - I can come up with an "ism" used against a Democrat that is just as bad or worse...... no one wants to be labeled as a killer, pedophile, non American or w****..... just like no one wants to be labeled a racist.

The rhetoric is ramped up across the board - the days of Gore and GHWB and McCain and Kerry are gone... for both parties....