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[Official] Kamala Harris for President 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sajan, Jul 21, 2024.

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    I just don't get Democrat establishment politics. Right now there is a narrative in conservative leaning rural lower income communities that Trump is a populist for the "common man". Stupid belief but it's a belief held by many conservative leaning working class voters

    And you go on one of the most popular networks watched by conservative working class folks in Fox News and tell them your economic plan is endorsed by Goldman Sacs.

    I just can't... Why are they that stupid? Who coaches Kamala?
     
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    Goldman Sachs didn't endorse anyone's economic plan. They, along with many others, such as the WSJ and analyses by other economists, simply analyzed both Harris and Trump's economic plans and concluded that Harris's plan is better for the economy, for reducing debt, for inflation, and for employment.
     
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    She got absolutely rekt, totally exposed.... Basically all of her failures are because of Trump.....
     
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    I think that's pedantic. Saying "Goldman Sacs thinks my economic plan is better" is an endorsement for all intents and purposes. When a working class individual hears "Golman Sacs thinks my economic plan is better than Trump's" who are they going to think is more populist or for the "worker"?

    Think about it this way. Can the GOP use "Goldman Sacs supports Kamala" as an attack and more specifically an attack that resonates with working people beyond MAGA?

    Yes. So I see no benefit, only harm in mentioning that Golman Sacs thinks her plan is better for the economy. And quite frankly this is a product of Kamala being your average lacking in intellectual curiosity politician. It's much easier to say some entity supports your economic plan than actually selling it with how it will effect the common voter.
     
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    She did okay - Brett worked in his usual passive aggressiveness but non of his questions were unexpected or insane. She did a good job of standing up for herself and not letting him walk all over her - which isn’t easy for a woman candidate in the world of 2024.

    It is odd that she choose to go on Fox - but she is fighting for basically half of the 3-4% of voters that are undecided.
     
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    My favorite part of the interview is when BB asked her about Joe’s senility and she would automatically default it back to Trump like most of the woke clowns in here. She is a horrible candidate and you Dems deserve exactly what you get.
     
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    I was going to use poll data but decided against it. (no one trust them anyway) Outside of using poll data, it's only feelings and I don't want to talk about my feeling.

    No, the GOP has not AFAIK and I doubt they ever will.
     
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    She isn’t a populist - she isn’t even really a classist. She fits more with college educated people and single and independent modern women.

    I understand what you are saying - but she isn’t folksy and her background isn’t in class politics. She can and will carry a lot of the blue collar women voters - but she isn’t a male and she isn’t Biden or someone else used to appealing to those voters.

    She can carry suburbs that are not overly religious - she can carry cities and some Union voters and women voters. She isn’t going to carry Larry the Plumber in Ohio.
     
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    3-4 percent is very generous.

    I think we're talking 0.5-2% at this point.

    I couldn't get through that interview. Made it 10 minutes in and it was clear it wasn't going anywhere. Felt like the 2020 debate. I'll try again in the morning over a cup of coffee.
     
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    She TAPPED OUT. Tapped out to Bret Baier. Four staffers waiving off Baier and throwing in the towel. Inexcusable -- she can't even handle the lightest of difficult questioning. There is no possible way she can effectively serve as President. America would be taken advantage of and walked all over.
     
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    You can not be a populist at heart like Donald Trump who isn't a populist in policy but in rhetoric and still have the social awareness to understand most American voters who lived through the 2008 financial crisis have negative feelings towards Goldman Sacs. Why do we need input from what essentially is a gambling company on what makes the economy better?
     
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    I get it, but with the undecided and soft learners, I wonder if there are better avenues than doing a fox interview.
     
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    She just isn't qualified for the job she is trying to get, if she was she wouldn't have been one of the worst performers in the 2020 Democrat primaries. I get woke leftists have to roll with her since its all they got but man their party really let them down on this one, they will admit how bad Kamala is once Trump wins and the dust starts to settle but right now they will continue to cope and say $hit like she did okay considering (insert excuse here)... She is atrocious, do these clowns not understand that people are tired of hearing its Trump's fault... Own up to your mistakes and tell us why we should vote for you not why we shouldn't vote for Trump....
     
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    Pretty much my take on it as well. She was smart when Brett tried to show selective clips of Trump's statements to bring up the far more damaging things Trump has said on the same topics. It was obvious they wanted to present a select picture and clips but she didn't accept it.
     
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    I haven't watched it, but we all know she has been going after Republicans voters.

    Harris isn't stupid. She isn't a word salad-making machine. She is fully capable of standing up for herself and articulating her points very well. From that perspective, you can see Harris going after a few things: 1) Trump is weak and scared, while she is strong and brave, 2) Fox News has the highest cable viewership, so this is a good way for her to reach more people. 3) The most effective way to fight an echo chamber (and it's extremely hard) is to get inside the chamber.

    If you think Harris is stupid and incapable, then I can see why you think this as a desperate move. But of course, she's none of that.

    I'm absolutely glad she's doing this. She should be going after every voter she can and leaving nothing on the table.

    Of course, this could also be that her campaign think that she has a 47-48% baseline, just like Trump, and so you have to go after that last 2-3% (thus, it's more opportunity than risk).
     
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