We have no idea with him to be honest. He's newly minted Dad and might want to secure a bag rather than wait the whole year. In the NBA salaries are sometimes weird. You have Devin Vassell making 27 million a year.. I think anything under 30 million for Green is fair and very team friendly. Hell CJ McCollum is at 33 million a year. CJ freaking McCollum..
The CJ contract is HORRIBLE, part of why the pels are kinda screwed because it would take assets to dump him. The Vassell one is also bad but again, spurs are one of the worst run franchises in sports so you don't want to model after them. Green also has not come close to what CJ is, so any money he gets is a pure potential play.
Funny you say it like that cuz I'd take CJ McCollum over Jalen green any day. At least he's a consistent shooter, he shot 43% from three last year on 8 attempts. That alone gets us into the playoffs.
This! We have more players than just Alpi and Jalen to make decisions on in the coming years. Alpi gets a max for sure. Amen looks like he could be a max/near max player and I have a strong feeling Reed will end up in that category too. Jalen has to leave no doubt he is the real deal this year to get a max by this team IMHO.
The most I would offer right now based on his three years is 15 million per year and I do not think he would accept it.
I think I would give him 30 million plus team option and .....and structure it in the KPJ way that he has to meet certain standards each and every year. But I would hesitantly give him money and above all years .....
I could go with a higher contract with a ton of team protection built into it although I do not think Jalen would go for that. The worst outcome out of this is us paying Jalen the max and we end up with the same inconsistent player who drags the team down for long stretches even if he has some great games and/or stretches (like March),
I agree but the hands of the Rockets are forced with the contracts of Bari and Tari coming up as well...... I am not worried about that.........I guess Bari and Tari are not max level but around 18-25 million a year. If it were between Bari and Jalen, who would all these people keep? I am not a fan of both right now.
So you're worried Jalen will shoot just as inefficiently as before and we'll just max him out? If that's how little you trust the GM, aren't you worried he's going to overpay all 7 core players until he runs out of money and then trade our future assets for short term role players and all sorts of other stupid stuff he'll do? At some point you have to stop worrying about potentially absurd outcomes that are this unlikely.
I do not mind extending deserving players up to the max that show steady improvement over their first three seasons. Jalen has not shown steady improvement however I am fully aware that it is harder to evaluate him given he was coached by one of the worst coaches in NBA history his first two seasons. I just want the team to have zero doubt Jalen will consistently come close to being the player he was in March before giving him a max extension. Yes I am somewhat concerned Stone could be somewhat irrational in his dealing with Jalen since he was his first and highest draft pick.
Wasn't talking about Jalen. Was talking about the idea that you are legitimately worried the GM will just hand the max to someone who they refused to extend and - according to your example - has not improved his offensive efficiency at all. That sounds like you think the GM is a total airhead. That his irrational bias is leaps and bounds more than other GM's - and other GM's have favorites and first picks too. Think about it step by step. Nothing changes, Jalen repeats last season's output, his name is in trade news obviously then, Udoka is constantly frustrated and very vocal about it as he's always been with his teams, the season ends we have time to reflect on the whole thing. And Stone just maxes him? What are the chances? That's not our biggest risk. That's the apocalyptic worst case scenario that has less than a 1% chance of happening. I'm just surprised you're worried about something like that. If you think it's reasonable to worry about that, I can think of hundreds of other things you should worry about too. In which case, do you even enjoy this?
It's a fine line for sure. Durant has been keeping that money to himself, no news of kids in decades.
Look at the contact he gave Dillon Brooks.... there's no reason whatsoever to trust Stone when it comes to handing out contracts.
I mean...it does because he's fighting to keep his starting spot as well as for a new contract. When you're a player on the ropes, you need to perform everywhere. In practice, Summer League and Pre-Season. When you're FVV or Sengun, you don't. Maybe Ime thinks like you do. Maybe he thinks like me. Who knows. Either way I won't comment much on Jalen at this point because it's pointless reacting to any of his good games or his bad games. He's probably going to be the starting SG for the beginning of the season at least. Last year he had more bad games than good games by a large margin and his only good ones largely came against tanking opponents. If he can string together 4-5 good games against good opponents, I'll give him his dues. And like others have said, if he does come out and play like he did last year, then conversations can be had about whether or not it's even worth extending him and how much a player like that is even worth.
You're literally just making this up. A preseason game is a preseason game. It doesn't make any sense for a guy seeking a max contract to go full throttle in the preseason. No one - even on this board - has any doubt he can beat on easy teams and easy games. Should I pull up your posts saying last March was easy teams? So what exactly is he going to prove to you by performing amazing in the preseason? Do you realize how stupid it would be if he got injured for trying too hard in preseason? Can you possibly understand he used the OKC game to work on his 3ball in a game where Udoka criticized all the players who spent too much time dribbling into a packed paint? I can't imagine a better use for the preseason game than for him to work on his jumper. Good, give it a break. This was a really insufferable thought from you. You literally made something up to blame Jalen Green for it. No one thinks preseason matters more for Jalen Green. It doesn't matter for anyone that much except people trying to make the roster cut. Also you just made up Jalen Green is fighting for his starting spot. This flies in the face of every single thing Udoka has said since he threatened to take that starting spot away middle of last season. You're living in an imaginary world. Jalen's a few percentage points from earning the max and being the starter for half a decade. Come to grips with it.
Come on - I know you’re a reasonable person, so you know as well as everyone else that if he doesn’t improve and keeps playing like he did the first 3 years then JG being a long term starter will put a hard cap on this team’s ceiling. Just from that alone, it’s fair to say he’s fighting for a starter spot - at least I hope that’s the case for the team’s sake and I also hope he is not as unaware of that as you seem to be.
I’ve been a Jalen supporter from day one, but if he starts the season the way the last three have started, they need to be packaging him with other assets by the trade deadline. Hell, I would even do a reasonable trade for Durant (reasonable). We’ve waited long enough on potential and now it’s time to start seeing results.
You're making an error. The dude (MA) is saying Green is fighting for his starting spot right now. That he needs to fight like a journeyman in preseason because of it. You are describing a situation where the season started, we have a sample and he's struggling. You're talking about a different thing. Is someone going to convince me they have better evidence than the dozen or so interviews with our HC since last season where he talks about Green like a key cog in the offense? Is there better evidence than our HC unprompted in an interview saying he can't wait to build an offense around Sengun/Green? What about our HC saying Green turned it around late in the season he just wishes it was a little sooner? Or are you going to convince Udoka is harsh on everyone since the day he started coaching in Boston but only for Jalen Green he makes up nice things to say? Even if you think Udoka is embellishing or beingPR-friendly, you can't go and believe the exact opposite thing lol. It's a ridiculous statement. Green is fighting for a max contract. That's a fact.
Same here. If he struggles I say we go for a late career star vet who can help this team for two years while the young guys develop. Durant would be great, Jimmy Butler would be fine too.
