It is not just Jalen, this Offense is still pretty arse at times and it has not changed much from last season despite what Udoka wants us to believe. With Fred it is decent but without Fred it has been disappointing. I think Ben Sullivan and the staff have to account for this if things do not go well, but at least the Schedule is not as difficult as it was last year.
These comparisons are hilarious - and so so myopic, you can't compare only scoring - there is efficiency in that scoring, there is defense, leadership, and so many other factors that go into other max players that Jalen falls woefully short on. He is just not a "Dude" and never will be - he is a Zack Lavine level player, and that is all he is......which isn't bad, but teams that give LaVine level players max contracts aren't going to be contenders. Green is just not a superstar - doesn't have it in him. DD
Zach Lavine's numbers in his 3rd year: 18.9 PPG/46%fg/39% 3p/84% FT/3.0 AST/3.4 RB Jalen's: 19.6/42%FG/33%3p/80%FT/3.5AST/5.2RB We'd have been a playoff team if Jalen was a Zach Lavine level player right now.
The goal is not a playoff team, the goal is a championship team. Zach is a good player, but not a leader, not a guy you pay the max to if you are serious about winning - he is a tertiary scorer. That is exactly what Green is, a scoring guard who can get hot at times, and cold at times, but can't be relied on as the main weapon, but as one of a chorus..... We are currently looking for a lead singer - that ain't Green. DD
Zach is not bad but he lacks playmaking. You need a guy who can playmake and score..... a better Fred, that would be young Harden or Luka.....and so on.
Jaylen brown is 2 inches taller and has a 5 inch longer wingspan than Green. If JG had those traits he'd be a much better defender but he doesn't. He's undersized in height and weight and shows zero effort on defense end. The same cannot be said for Jaylen Brown.
Jalen is not a good playmaker either.....he can occasionally create but he is high turnover percentage when he is tasked as a creator. He is decent at scoring but when he is off - he doesn't do much of anything else to impact the game in a positive manner, he is just not a superstar player, he is a microwave scorer..imho...... DD
we have a lead singer. We just don't utilize him the right way. The offense should be centered around Sengun. Really need Rick Adelman offense back. Sengun with cutters and his scoring ability would be unstoppable,
You are silly. Id take Allen Iverson over paying Jaylen Brown $50M and they are not the same height and size. But they both could score from all 3 tiers. Again, the Brown stats I posted were Jaylen In year 4 and 5. Jaylen was viewed by basketball-reference.com as SF in his first year and then SG there after. We are in posionless basketball now sir. Get with the times. Problem is you want to regulate Jalen Green to role player capping when he can be a scoring leader of the league Instead. Scoring from all three tiers. And his FT's were better than Browns 4-5 year average.
Well that may be, if Sengun is the dude, then we need a consistent 3 ball around him and Jalen has not ever been good enough at that..... DD
It's true, Green could be a scoring leader of the league if a team let him chuck enough.... but that would be the worst team in the league. The issue is that he couldn't be a scoring leader on a quality team. So really it just depends on your priorities, do you want Jalen to be a scoring leader, or do you want the Rockets to do well. The two are mutually exclusive.
For Jalen to be the league scoring leader it would take something like 30 to 35 fg attempts per game which hasn't happened since Wilt was playing in the league's infancy..... but Jalen could do it, the team would win about 7 games all season, but it could happen
That is why there is this dilemma of trading for that disgruntled star versus the camp that wants to keep all 6 or 7 of the Core. I have the popcorn ready..... you gotta do something at some point.
I think it’s to everyone’s best interest, including Jalen’s, if Jalen accepts the current hierarchy as soon as possible and shifts his thinking to how he can best complement and play next to Sengun. One constant is things work well for him when he doesn’t force himself as a primary over the rest of the team and doesn’t blindly try to score (lots of issues with offball capabilities there as well, I know). I don’t think he should be allowed to take as many shots this season as he did so far if the shooting doesn’t significantly improve. This isn’t a projection on his future - I have my own beliefs and I’ll let everyone else have theirs. But the fact is he’s not converging to be a primary or number one option in any team so far - just not reliable and consistent and frankly good enough yet at anything. He needs to learn how to play a full game first, which he wasn’t able to do in a bunch of games even during his March streak last season.
We all know Jalen is the problem. Management is just to afraid to make that decision because of where he was drafted and how he was the first pick they ever made. They are still grasping at hope he might pan out. I just don't see it all.
Agreed. It's just that Jalen Green isn't even Zach Lavine right now. He's probably the middle point of Jordan Poole and Zach Lavine and that's being generous to Jalen. Through two games this pre-season, Jalen is 10/26 from the field for a balmy 38.4%. He's shooting 38.8% from 3 which means he's been abysmal from 2. Kinda strange that the second quarter has been where he's feasted and that's exactly when the bench mobs are there. So yes...he's shown up until this point that he's an Aaron Holiday off the bench scorer that could stretch a lead if he's on. He cannot seem to figure out above average starting caliber defenses. The lead singer is Sengun. He's already shown an improved 3 pointer, improved on ball defense, slimmer profile so he can better deal with faster players and 15/16 from the FT line. The dude just improves every ****ing year and I'm past the point of judging him because of other failed players that look like him. He's a star. The reason he isn't being selected into an All-Star game is because his teammates constantly let him down. After Sengun is probably Reed and Amen in no particular order. Really need to see some shooting from Amen. Everything from last year has translated so far and he looks much better on ball.
This is where we will disagree. I loved Allen iverson growing up. One of my favorite players have his jerseys and his shoes. But if I'm being realistic and looking at it now. Allen Iverson is not a winning player. He was lucky to play in a weak conference in an era where games were low scoring. His team grinded out wins by playing tough defense and relying on him to do all the heavy lifting. Problem is now that would never work. Teams are way more efficient with shot selection and pace of play has picked up considerably. He is one of the most inefficient scorers ever. It just doesn't work. Honestly Jalen green comparison to AI I can get behind, because green is just like him. Inefficient chucker that gambles on defense. I'm sure Allen Iverson could score 45 a game in today's nba but his team would probably get blown out. Jaylen Brown on the other hand is a winning player. Has a much better all around game, dude won finals MVP. Something AI never got. Yes it's positionless basketball with the right players that can switch. Jalen is not that: every time he gets switched on a bigger guy it's BBQ chicken. Postionless basketball works great with LeBron, kd, or even Jaylen brown type players. Not with undersized guards unless it's Steph curry who's one of the efficient scorers ever.
He does get sagged off, and Udoka has insisted to just make the correct read. Taking that shot is the correct read. Its also why its so important he shoots around 35+% from 3. He went 4/9 game 1, 3/9 in game 2. So far thats 38% but its pointless at this volume. But over the season hes gonna have both types, we just hope for more of the 1st. The big difference was shots from 2 and getting to the rim. He made some game one and not game 2. Thats why it appears to be a bad game but ultimately OKC is fantastic at defending the rim.
