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The Hezbollah - Israel War

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jun 19, 2024.

  1. JHarden713

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    Instead of moving 'em to the middle east after WW2, they should of (the allies) gave 'em a state in Germany (maybe Saarland region) as an apology.

    Wonder what your opinion would be today if that was the case Lol
     
  2. droxford

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    You're asking the wrong question. You should ask, "And how many Lebanese civilians have been targeted by Israeli bombing and air strikes?"

    You should also ask, "Why does Hezbollah hide their military equipment, leadership buildings, weapons, and ammunition in schools, libraries, and civilian neighborhoods, intentionally putting their own people in harm's way and using them as human shields?"
     
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  3. dobro1229

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    You guys can't even get your conspiracy theories straight. Yesterday the issue with the left with a Jewish Billionaire George Soros and the Jewish Rothschilds who were running the world underground to make the world liberal, and now today out of the other side of your mouth you want to claim that liberals are also... antisemites???

    Make up your fcking mind on which conspiracy theories you want to actually stick with for longer than 2 minutes.
     
  4. dobro1229

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    Yeah it would have been interesting, but the issue that caused anti-semitism after WW1 was Germany being punished for their actions severely and that caused them to have cultural and political grievances which led to Hitler's rise by demonizing the Jews.

    Truman, our allies, and the UN had no real great decision here. Establishing a Jewish state in Germany would have been justice, but it also would have likely led to anti-semitic Germans having more and more grievances.

    The issue with Germany though isn't really about Germany as much as it is about white supremacy, and the petty grievances of privileged spoiled brats who live life on the top, and get nocked down a peg, and then act like spoiled brats in the worst possible way... by literally wanting to exterminate another population.

    It's what we see here in the US especially with people who demonize Mexicans because they are struggling financially more than they were years ago when maybe they had daddy's money supporting them, or whatever. Whatever happened to the American middle class to where they are now unhappier than they were and need another race to blame.

    ...

    But yeah to your point let's find out how pro-Jew ATW really is by how he responds to this question. Since his country was responsible for killing millions of Jews in the 30's and 40's, and causing the need for the UN to give this population a sovereign state to begin with, does he support instead giving up part of Germany now to relocate Jewish people in order to create peace?? I'm assuming the answer to that is a big fat no even though it's Germany's fault that we are even here to begin with.
     
  5. JHarden713

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    He ain't gonna answer. Deutschland to Germans, thats how most Germans feel.
     
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    I have the guy on ignore, just looked.

    First of all, regarding Soros, while he might be Jewish by heritage, he hates Israel. He's probably the one person who has done most harm.

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-745296

    I have never supported any "Rothschild" conspiracy theories, I think they are antisemitic and ridiculous.

    Can't take this dobro guy seriously at all, he just makes up stuff and then argues against the stuff he made up, just like that fchowd kid.

    As to your Saarland hypothetical - sure, I certainly wouldn't have lobbed rockets at Saarland just because Jewish people live there. In contrast to your Jihadist friends.
     
  7. JHarden713

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    Of course you wouldn't, I didn't say you would. But I'm willing to bet that your opinion of such state wouldn't be positive (or as positive).

    Anyone that spent any significant time in Europe is well aware of the European nationalism especially in Germany.

     
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    I have been to Israel more than once, and my opinion of it is extremely positive.

    Other than that, your hypothetical is made up and uninteresting.
     
  9. JHarden713

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    Sure, Israel is a good country. But that wasn't the point, the point was Israel in Germany.
     
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    Don’t forget the Sunni vs Shia stuff
    Somehow the woke people don’t get that they got beef within the region for a thousand years
     
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    Ooooooh an OPINION article.
     
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    Funny how the leftists here are almost all anti-Israel.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    Ahhh the ole classic “good Jew” vs bad Jew narrative. Way to totally separate yourself from the white nationalist neo Nazi’s in the political party you are an online activist for. You can try to separate yourself if you want by saying that one conspiracy theory is bad while also pushing antisemitic narratives out the other side of your mouth if you want, but most people see through the BS.

    You have no moral high ground to try and gaslight Democratic voters on in regards to Netanyahu’s military and political ambitions in an activist effort to dampen criticisms. I’m sure you love bringing up free speech when it’s about topics that are beneficial to the right wing politics you’ve dedicated your life to supporting. However when others use their freedom of speech and it’s about topics inconvenient to your narrative you don’t waste too seconds to bully and gaslight people for simply calling a spade a spade.
     
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    Funny how a right wing German here avoids the whole genocide aspect of the topic.
     
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    He has a incredible imagination lol
     
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    Lol why? Germans killed 'em, it would of been fair to give 'em part of Germany to create Israel.

    Part of the reparations a chunk of Germany gone.
     
  17. Nook

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    It is strange - but it is because it really isn't an all out war at this point.

    Both sides are trying to save face politically.

    Something to keep in mind - the USA shot down and US technology was used to shoot down the missiles shot into Israel. Not sure that the same number of missiles shot out of Israel would be shot out of the sky.

    Biden is trying to prevent an all-out war.

    There are some idiots on both sides that want an all out war and don't care about the consequences.
     
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  18. Nook

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    I can't help myself -

    This idea is what was taught in school from the 1950's until recently but it really isn't accurate.

    Anti-semitism in Europe and Germany was common for a long time before World War I. What World War I did do was weaken the "state" of Germany to such an extent that it allowed for a lot of social and political instability. "Jews" were down the list of concerns for Germany after WWI. Germans were used to a very strong and definitive government and ruling class, and that collapsed after WWI. Many of those in the ruling class - were veterans of WWI and they returned to a situation where their title and money just did not mean a lot. The lower classes were turning against the old ruling class, and communists and anarchists were actively attempting to take over Germany. In fact - they actually DID take over parts of Germany. So - as a result you had a backlash, from those that were members of the old iron fisted ruling class and some in the middle class that didn't like the anarchy that existed on the streets.

    This all bubbled up and appeared to be heading to a civil war - when the economy began to improve. This settled things down, especially on the authoritarian side of the aisle. Support for the communists and for the authoritarians both collapsed and support for Democracy improved. Far Right and Far Left-wing parties were polling around 10%.

    Then the USA called in all of it's bonds as a result of the Great Depression and Germany collapsed into chaos again. This allowed both the Far Left and the Far Right to claim that the German government was not "absolute" enough. Communists swelled and began attempting to take over Germany through violence. The moderates had to ally with the fascists in order to prevent the Communists from controlling the government and overthrowing the government. Parts of Germany started being controlled by different political parties. Unemployed and young Communists started controlling parts of the cities and the Fascists parts of the countryside and they would fight.

    Hitler - he was against Jews, but when he was leading the Nazi party in the late 20's and early 30's, he tried boycotts against Jews and their businesses. However, when he did - he saw his polling numbers drop and he also recognized that the boycotts were not successful. He also was receiving pressure from outside of Germany. So he dialed it way back. The breaking point was when Joseph Goebbels approved violence against Jews without permission from Hitler - and it caused serious issues.

    Even when Hitler made his play to take over Germany from Hindenburg, he was very measured in what he said about Jews because it was not something that the middle class in Germany thought was important - they believed Hitler would fix the economy.

    It was only after Hitler had unquestioned control and success in taking Poland that Germans were so open to the anti-semitic policies of the NAZI party.

    So yeah - Germany had a problem with Judaism, but not to the degree or for the reasons that have been taught. It also shows that when there is economic prosperity, voters will overlook a lot of things.
     
  19. JHarden713

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    Agreed with most except for the last part. It wasn't a "problem" per se but they could never be European. In most of Europe (except maybe for France), you're either a local or not. Same thing with Gypsies they have been there for centuries now but will never be considered Europeans by the locals. Not saying that Jews were Gypsies but in that category of "others". You can see that in other parts of the world as well such as Japan and Korea. Its not like America or Canada. Its more like (in dog terms) a German Shepherd is a German Shepherd anywhere in the world. Europeans literally see it like that, like a breed.
     
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    The leftists weep.

     

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