So, I've been getting the runaround at work a bit. I've asked for a few things with mixed results. Get me closer to home (work is 102 miles away and commuting isn't necessary, though is essentially forced)? Can't do it. Make me drive less days? I've slowly whittled my in office days down from 3 to 1. Found out I was being paid less than people with less experience than me. Asked for a raise. They couldn't do it. They told me I needed to bring them a job offer and maybe they'd match. So I brought them a job offer. It's a great offer, and I think is better than what they thought I'd get. I want to take this job, and have in fact, committed to it. After all the runaround they've given me (more than the examples I've pointed out here), they want to make a counter offer. I told them I'd entertain it, although there's essentially no way I'd take it, unless they beat my current offer by quite a bit, which they won't (current offer is >15% pay increase). I gave my immediate supervisor my resignation letter Monday. He asked if he should turn it in. I said that was at his discretion, and I would hear out the counter offer, but I'm not changing my final day (4 week notice). It's now been 2 days and I have no counter offer. Should I demand a counter offer by x date and then politely decline, should I sit back and wait and let them take their time and politely decline (essentially making my 4 weeks notice less of a notice depending on how long they take), or should I just tell them to accept my resignation and I'm not interested in a counter offer? I don't like being in limbo and waiting for a counter, and I also don't plan on taking the counter. I feel uneasy in that I've only met two coworkers know that I'm likely leaving, and even that is in limbo. I think I'm being too nice about all of this because that's just my nature. I don't want to step in any toes or burn any bridges, but I also think I need to be upfront and get a clean break. Any advice is appreciated. I've been at this company for 10 years, so I don't have much experience with this kind of stuff.
Was in a similar situation once. Asked for a raise and got one but I thought it was insufficient. So I got a different job but boss asked if he could counter-offer. I said yes but then thought about it that night. Figured I already resented them not giving me the raise I asked for. I didn't trust them to not replace me when it was convenient to them. And I would rather not be thought of as a mercenary for hire. So the next day I went in and told them not to counter, that I wouldn't take it no matter what.
Old job sucks for reasons you’ve already highlighted. Decline even hearing a counter offer. Company sounds like it doesn’t value experienced employees. Institutional knowledge is incredibly underrated by bad management. Salary compression sucks, too. They have to hire at market value to acquire new talent, but what reason do they have to keep you there? None, you’ve been there 10 years, you ain’t going anywhere. Even now you’re letting them control the situation. I left my old day job two years ago. I liked it but was just insanely overworked for my salary. Did a salary survey and discovered I was underpaid by at least 45% and asked for a raise and a promotion. They said no (actually they said they agreed but didn't have the budget), so I got another job, better company, much better pay, benefits, etc. Old company hired three people to replace what I did because I was damn good at it and I knew everyone and just got **** done. My old co-workers tell me they still haven’t fully replaced me and in addition to three people, lower-level managers are being leaned on to handle projects I could do in my sleep. The money wasn’t really an issue for me, I have other revenue streams. It was more of a respect and acknowledgement thing. So get moving, bro, and don’t look back. IMO you’re being too generous with 4 weeks, but what’s done is done. Enjoy the new opportunity!
Don't take a counter offer. When I changed jobs, I simply told them there was no need to counter. I didn't even present a competing job offer, I only told them I had accepted a position elsewhere. I didn't even dislike the old job at that point. There are very few scenarios where it makes sense to stay.
The problem in many situations like this is that once you've decided to go, you should just go because they're probably already thinking about replacing you somehow since you're not happy with the situation and they're obviously not willing to change the situation much. I'd never accept counteroffers to stay. That being said, always make sure you are willing to and want to leave. You've gone back and forth with them enough (well, to me, anyway) - at some point you'll probably end up more of a nuisance. lol. Good luck! Just don't tell them them about the whole Bryce Young thing.
You've already made the decision to leave, don't let anyone guilt you into staying. Even if they give you a better offer, they've already shown their cards the last 10 years you've given to them. Move on bro.
Be completely selfish. So don’t burn bridges bc you never know when you might need a favor. Give them the time you feel comfortable with, but not time that is inconvenient for you. And yeah, sometimes it is good for the ego to get a counteroffer, bc even though it’s too late, it’s some validation of value and maybe you’ll enjoy that in some way. And again, who knows, maybe you might need to ask a favor or seek a job back there one day. Whatever is most advantageous for you, that’s what you should do
don't get emotional about it, but don't burn any bridges, not worth it....trust me, once you move on and your old coworkers tell you how much your old company is struggling to find your replacement (or even hiring multiple people to do your old job), it will feel so good when you hear them b**** lol
This too. Be professional and exit professionally. Everyone gets emotional about their jobs and we form relationships with our work peers, but it's a mistake to get emotional about work, especially in front of your workmates, if they're your subordinates, peers or supervisors. One of the top qualities a co-worker can have is professionalism. Take that into your next job. Make friends, but avoid gossip and b****ing, always see the silver lining, get your **** done, promote yourself.
Dude you work 102 miles away. If you want to replay events for future reference, you could've initially told them you'd rather make more money without the commute and the counter offer better be worth it...Wife...family. In other words, it better be a great ****ing counter with a direct promotion. Their lack of urgency could mean a host of things they dont have a replacement Mgmt sucks so they dont know your worth They don't know what your coworkers/peers are capable of Someone above doesn't like or respect you Your direct is a fool or a selfish POS If you haven't accepted your new employers offer already, do it now and get out of that toxic waste dump. You don't even have to tell your current employer and bump the join date to 3 weeks or whatever you feel comfortable leaving your current job. When current co counters, sit on it for however long you like without extending your notice. I wouldn't give them more time because clearly they're hustling for a cheaper backup. If you're willing to get fatter from the commute, sleep less, and spend less q time with wife and fam for a "chance" of promotion and a bump you want, then tell your dumb sandbagging waste of a mgr the ****-you-pay-me money it takes for you to accept and that your possible new employer gave you a deadline of this friday. If they take you as a pushover, you can still set the terms by playing the other company against them. These assholes made it clear from the beginning they only look at rivals or competitors as motivation for advancement...
Btw, your remote situation means you're always on the chopping block esp if other coworkers are onsite for 2 more days than you. From their standpoint, you're already getting "special privileges" even if you're getting paid less. Getting paid more means the scales are tipped against you during a downturn. It doesn't look like you have a backer or personal connection with someone higher either. They could vouch and normalize your status or serve as a networking advancement chip. That's pretty much why you would accept a counter offer despite HR branding you as a hostage taking traitor...you love the people in your day to day, your mgr is great in every way, or someone above who trusts you could run the show or take you with them when they leave.
Once you have a better offer in hand and you have accepted, abort negotiating with your existing employer. Treat it like a breakup/divorce. Move on. Because I guarantee you, the things that have made you unhappy with the current job are not all going to be fixed by a salary bump. You will just be back to square 1 in a few months/year.
Tangentially, a few times in the last month at my current employer, I have heard some of the leadership team (which I am part of) comment on how big, non-band raises (could be a market adjustment) aren't generally a thing unless you're promoted or are resigning. That's a red flag for me and how salary compression happens. They like to compensate people via yearly bonuses, which are based on company performance. However, we have so many things going on that it's hard to quantify that, even at my level. So it's not really a good motivator for 98% precent of people, really only the Kool-Aid drinking company men and the executives who have their finger on finances. I negotiated a much higher salary at the beginning with the caveat that I wouldn't get a raise in year one (but got a very nice bonus). Year two was a very pedestrian COLA-type raise which was a little frustrating to me as I've taken on progressively more responsibilities and put in more hours as I've worked at this company. So I either need to go to the mat on a very good raise, which I think is really the responsibility of our executive team to recognize the need (read: good management), or get frustrated to the point where I am looking for another job or at least listen to recruitment offers and go to interviews and get offers. At that point, the ship has sort of sailed on the current company and there will always be some resentment in our relationship, probably on both sides, if I stay. I've seen my president mention one guy who they had to pay to stay a few times, so I know he keeps score. I'm going to give it to next year to see how it pans out.
It's not hard to read between the lines here and say it's bad management, probably bad ownership that sets the management/executive culture to not hire good managers. I'd say pushing remote is a double-edged sword, it's certainly a factor and benefit for jobs and there's really not a lot of reasons for a thought based job to be there daily. I concede that 100% remote isn't nearly as good as forming relationships within the company and that there is some merit to a hybrid schedule, but probably one day a week, possibly a week a month with two days for monthly company meetings and items. IMO that one day a week should be fairly open so people can socialize. Work conversations tend to move into shop talk which is very good for forming tight bonds, even b**** sessions for commiseration purposes. Unfortunately, the back to office edicts are mostly due to control freaks needing to put their thumb on people due to lack of trust (which is a personal thing) and lower-end management realizing that they don't really do much without their teams there to talk to. Amazon seems to be going both directions; they are mandating a full workweek in the office (terrible) but reducing their management (could be good). Bottom line is that it's more productive to WFH most of the time in thought jobs, but most older owners and managers just can't do it and force people in. I expect this to die off as the boomers age out.
Yes. this is why it's very important to negotiate a higher salary up front. 2-5% raises barely keep up with inflation these days! also those 2-5% on a higher base is obviously better. And often companies are not able to give you a 10..20% randomly. there are HR restrictions even when moving up in levels..
Yeah, the ho-hum 'COLA' raises are really just the beginning of the end because eventually the market will outpace your worth. I made the same assumption; even a weak raise is a percentage of a higher number. The math worked out for me. For now. And as stated earlier, you lose so much more than just a body punching out widgets when a tenured person leaves. They take their institutional knowledge, product and customer knowledge as well as their very refined company skillset. They know how to navigate personalities to get things done. It's hard to put a price on that but paying someone very well and making sure the market doesn't nab them is a step towards keeping them at the company.
