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Grizzlies lock up Gasol

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by codell, Oct 1, 2004.

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  1. m_cable

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    Like I said, I think Gasol can be really something, but I'm just incredibly high on Kirilenko. He's a top 3 perimeter defender, as well as being top 5 in steals and blocks. He has a good jumpshot, not great but good, and has a knack for getting putbacks. If you already had a very good scoring option, then I think this decision would be a slam dunk. And it just seems like there are way more scorers in this league than incredibly well-rounded players. Even when we're talking about lowpost scorers:

    Shaq
    Yao
    Duncan
    KG
    Oneal
    Dirk (not really a lowpost scorer, but he's too good a scorer to leave off a list like this)
    Randolph
    Amare
    Brand
    Gasol
    Big Z
    Abdur Rahim
    K-Mart (Maybe. Well see what he can do without Kidd)
    Webber (if he's healthy)

    That's almost half the league with big men that can score. But how many guys in the NBA have a top flight all-around game:

    Duncan
    KG
    Kobe
    AK-47
    Artest
    T-Mac (hopefully, since he won't have to expend all that energy on offense)
    Kidd's defense used to elevate him up here, but I'm not so sure anymore.

    That's not a whole lot. And KG and Kirilenko are the only ones on that list that can really guard guys on the perimeter and guys in the lowpost. Like I said, I'm really high on AK-47. He's a rare breed.



    BTW. The more I think about it, the more I feel that T-Mac can be almost as good as Kirilenko. Except T-Mac is a better shooter, while Kirilenko is a better lowpost defender, and slightly better shot-blocker and stealer.
     
  2. Pipe

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    PG: Cassell
    SG: Kobe
    SF: KG
    PF: Duncan
    C: Shaq

    6th man: TMac
     
  3. meh

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    If there's anyone who still thought that Yao might not deserve a max extension, this deal should settle it. If Gasol can get a max deal after his play last seaon, Yao is assured of getting max money even if he never improves for the rest of his career.

    Obviously, the Grizzlies have to pony up the money, whether or not Gasol's worth it. It's not like they're ever going to have cap space anyway for the near future, and Gasol's the best player on the team. Now if only they can somehow trade some of their ridiculous depth for a legitemate star, this can be a dangerous team.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I think he would knock out these players from your list (as in I would think Kiri would be more valuable to have on your team):

    Peja
    Vince Carter
    Baron Davis
    Jermaine O'Neal
    Artest
    Zach Randolph
    Shawn Marion
    Marbury
    Carmelo Anthony
    Cassell (due to his age)
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Well, it would definitely be an interesting game :).
     
  6. Pipe

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    We can agree on that.
     
  7. BiGGieStuFF

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    For OUR team I'd take kirilenko. He'd be a great support figure for yao and t-mac. Gasol though would just whine about touches and possibly mess up chemistry. But not like we can get either so forget about it :D
     
  8. steddinotayto

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    In defense of Gasol (something I never thought I'd do), I'm pretty sure he can be a legitimate 20/10/2 blocks guy if he played more minutes. But since Hubie like to run a 8-9 man roster every game, that limits Gasol's minutes and production..in theory. BUT you can't really teach what Kirilenko does and that is defending. You can help a guy on his jumper/shooting and his offensive fundamentals but you can't help a guy on how to defend. That's just hustle/hard work/talent.
     
  9. Gutter Snipe

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    I'm not completely sold on the virtues of having Pau Gasol as one of your team's two max players (assuming you are going to be limited to two).

    However, I'd rather have him signed as a max player than all of the following:

    Ron Artest (not, but thinks he should be a max player)
    Chris Webber
    Kenyon Martin
    Wally Szczerbiak
    Antawn Jamison
    Vince Carter
    Grant Hill
    Keith Van Horn
    Zydrunas Ilgauskas
    Steve Francis
    Baron Davis
    Shawn Marion
    Jason Kidd
    Allen Iverson
    Antoine Walker
    Michael Finley
    Jalen Rose

    So, from that perspective it doesn't look that bad. But the obvious question is: Is he going to be good enough to bring you a championship with the right teammates?
     
  10. steddinotayto

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    Exactly. It's like you know you paid for quality...but was the price just a bit too high?
     
  11. Davidoff

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    Say hello to the new Juwan Howard!!(b4 his contract was fixed)
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Gasol has much better skills than Juwan Howard.
     
  13. dharocks

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    He's much more athletic, too. People don't realize it beause he's a sicky-looking white guy, but he's only a step or two below KG in the athleticism department.
     
  14. ayears

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    A critical turning point to Grizzlies was that they succeed landing West & Brown into their management. This imminent multiyear deal simply proved it.

    sheesh, just put Gasol in Yao's situations in Olympics, he'd take his team no more than Yao did for CNT.
     
  15. vincejas

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    Gasol is mini type of franchise player. I can only name at least five pf's better than him right now. TD, KG, Dirk, JO and Rasheed. Brand is a good player but i firmly beliv that Pau is a much better foundation to build upon. U dont build ur team around an undersized pf except maybe if ur charles barkley. And obviously, hes not. Webber is done. Hes injury prone and age is fast catching up on him. Another injury or two and hes gone forever. Zach is 20-10 player but thats it. Fundamentally, the basics, pau is way better than him. Amare, hes all hops and dunks. Boozer, just a good complimentary player. His perfomance in the olympics was awesome. There are times that hes the best player in the court including against the us team. NObody could guard him except tim duncan. He was head and shoulders above lamar, amare, and everyone that larry brown put against him. He was a monster except when he met duncan. Thats why duncan is the best player in the world. He deserved the contract and now its up to him to elevate his game to another level. He has west and hubie to guide him and teach him to be the MAN and he knows that he has the tools to become a top three pf in the game.
     
  16. shawn786

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    HAHA can som1 please post that pic of Gasol in his super man uniform? That was funnney, hahaha, good stuff.
     
  17. thegary

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    they'd have to be some mighty big steps
     
  18. Nuclear Yak

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    You gotta go with Kirilenko cuz of his awesome mohawk
     

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