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The Stock Market, will 2024 be like 2020 ?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by adoo, Dec 8, 2023.

  1. adoo

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    when BA was trading ~ 160
    now trading just below 155. i see more spaces to fall

    using some of that $22 premium collected in advance to pay for a bearish 20-point PUT spread, Feb '25 expiration.

    • + 155 strike PUT, - 135 strike PUT
      • net cost of $6.6
        • risking $6.6 for a potential max gain of $20

     
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    on 3 Sep
    today's announcement
    drove NVDA's stock price up ~~4% to 121.

    my bullish 50-point CALL spread is worth ~~ $20
     
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    The way it's going, you should win the bet..
     
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    on the heels of China's announcement (earlier this week) that it will provide aggressive stimulus to cure its economic ills,
    KWEB, the ETF that tracks China's Internet stocks, has risen ~~ 26% over the past 4 trading days, from 26 to 33

    to my eyes, it is over bought

    constructed a bearish CALL spread, betting that it will close below 31 by Feb 2025

    buy to open 36 strike CALL
    sell to open 31 strike CALL. collecting a net premium of $2 in advance

    should KWEB close below 31 by Feb 2025 expiration, i get to keep the $2
    willing to risk the max amount of $3 to win the $2 premium​
     
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    missed the China rip...i might join you with some puts
     
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    a picture is worth a billion words

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    if you buy in to the growth potentials of NVDA, specifically its GPU chips for data centers, according to these charts,
    its stock price is way under-valued, the PEG should be at least approximate the PE


    this Yahoo article, https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hidden-microsoft-metric-bodes-well-084000278.html, tries to explain this seeming disconnecct between (NVDA's) PE and PEG
     
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    Since Mar 2023, MSFT has trended upward steadily---reaching the all-time high of 467 in early July 2024. Then, the stock price dipped below that trend line to 384 in early Aug.
    Since then, trading action has been consolidating around that trend line, which approximates the 200 DMA,. the stock price closed at 416 on Fri

    in view of these factors, i think that trading action---going into the 22 Oct earnings---will pop, heading towards the all-time high of 467

    I've constructed a 30-point bullish CALL spread---using Mar expiration--- to participate in the anticipated pop.

    • buy to open 420 strike CALL
    • sell to open 450 strike CALL
      • net cost of $13.50

    i am willing to pay $13.50 for the opportunity to participate in a potential profit of $30
     
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    MSFT has been waiting for its turn.........
    Two things are going to happen soon.
    MSFT going to retest the 467 high.
    NVDA to 140-150.
     
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    well.

     
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    NVDA is a real breakout.



    for MSFT,

    This yahoo article suggests that, for MSFT, Should the death cross,, where the 20 dma dips below the 200 dma, not materialize
    • the 50 dma (417.8) could bounce off the 200 dma (415.9), reversing the current down trend
      • the 22 Oct earnings announcement could be the catalyst for the bounce



    fwiw, market sell off yesterday drove MSFT below the current trend line.
    the sell off was driven by irrational fear of inflation, even tho the Fed had just cut 1/2 point last week
    • the 2nd Category 5 hurricane in a week spiked oil prices up
    • Russia Ukrine conflict continues
    • too, the middle east conflict
    • all the above contriubted to higher yields in the bond market
    • MSFT was caught---losing 9 points---in that market fear
    today, both oil prices and bond yields held steady; stock market closed higher
    MSFT regained most of the losses from yesterday​
     
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    this was after Monday closing, in which MSFT was down 6, falling below the lower trend line


    since Monday, MSFT has gained ~~8 point over the past 2 days, to be above the lower trend line,

    from my perspective, a dealth-cross has been averted, laying the tracks for this likely scenario
    so much so that i am willing to make another bet on MSFT

    using 15 Nov 2024 expiration,

    sell a bullish 25-pt PUT spread
    • buy to open 410 strike PUT
    • sell to open a 425 strike PUT
      • collecting a premium of $6.50 in advance
    for the 6.50 premium collecting, i am willing to assume a max risk of 8.50
    should MSFT trade above 425, by closing on 15 Nov. i get to keep the entire premium​
     
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    Equity traders's emphatic FU to the bond traders, who had started this irrational fear of inflation, even after the Fed Chair had announced a 1/2 pt cut 2 weeks ago
    from my perspective, institutional equity traders are creating this demand for MSFT shares which, in the prrocess, have cleared this technical hurdles
    • above the most recent up trend line
    • above the 50 & 200 dma line
    • above the 50 % retracement level at 417
    next technical hurdles to be cleared (imo, by middle of next week)
    • above 20 dma (426) & 100 DMA (428)
    • above 62% retracement, 427
    after which, MSFT will be approaching the all-time high of 467.5 rapidly
     
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    How do you guys feel about palantir?
     
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    BA trading ~~149
    the bearish CALL spread is worth ~ 9.9. was ~$22.2 when i sod it ;
    most probably will be zero on Feb 2025
    • this bearish PUT spread is now worth ~~$8.50
     
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    Yesterday, MSFT closed ~~419.
    this AM, opened at~ 422, has gone down since, to 416


    decided to sell another bullish PUT spread on MSFT, collecting a premium up front,

    • using Nov 22 expiration
      • buy 425 strike put, sell 405 strik put
      • collecting a premium in advance of $8.27
    • at Nov 22 expiration
      • should MSFT trade above 425, both contracts will be worthless,
        • i get to keep the premium that was collected in advance
      • should MSFT turn against me---trading below 425---my max risk has been defined to be $11.73. (20 - $8.27)
     
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    on Thur, NVDA reached an all-time intraday high of 142; on Fri, it closed at 138

    my bullish 50-point CALL spread is worth ~~~ $22.8
     
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    2 weeks ago, 9 Oct
    i was off by a week,

    today, so far, MSFT is up ~~~ 9, to 427, clearing all the technical hurdles; w 6 more trading days til the next earnings release.
     

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