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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. astrosrule

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    you can repeat a lie over and over, won't make it true
     
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    Look deeper within and you'll accept what I said is true.
     
  3. astrosrule

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    i've been on this forum for what, 22 years? longer than jalen has been alive? You can say i'm not a real rockets fan because i said jalen has been a bust so far, but again, repeating the same lie over and over just won't make it true, no matter how hard you try
     
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    You can be a real Rocket fan with a hurt ego. Bobbythegreat is a long time user of this forum who I assume entered this message board as a sincere God fearing Houston Rockets fan. And today if Jalen Green made a leap he'd be angry and post less here. So people's egos can often guide them to a different path.
     
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    At this point, repeating lies is all he's got going for him.

    His lies managed to make this a 300 page thread. He's far more successful as a troll than Jalen is as a basketball player in the NBA.
     
  6. astrosrule

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    I absolutely despise brooks. If brooks became good, i would be happy. I like jalen, so if jalen became good, why would that make me unhappy? What's the logic? If i'm a fan of the rockets, why would i not want a player on the team to be good?
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Is there a wild of a swing from for Brooks here from claimed "bust" to "potential future all-star" with the same amount of time dedication to arguing that he's a "bust" with Brooks?

    The Brooks opinion is low stakes. It's not the same thing.
     
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    And there is no "i want what is for the team's good" with these "Jalen is a bust" absurd claims. Jalen movino on from the Rockets and getting a new contract with another team could be by the end of the season be what is best for the Rockets and that has nothing to do with you having this much time investment in trying to frame Jalen Green as a bust.
     
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    One of the biggest sticking points during Jackson's analysis is Jalen's lack of FT shots vs his peers. Just another couple of FT's per game would up his TS% as well as his overall PPG. It's also widely believed that FT's help certain players in other areas by constantly seeing the ball "go in" and might help them with their overall efficiency.

    His usage rate was also the lowest of his peers in year 3. 27.4 for Green. Fox 29.8. Edwards 29.9. Book 31.7. Ja 33.7. Less chances to get his chances vs everyone else. Jalen is 2nd best FT shooter of these. Basically implies Jalen "settles" too much for weaker shots and needs to take it to the rim more. Needs to play more like Ja Morant who forces the issue more. Jalen being at the FT line more also does other things like letting teammates rest a little bit. Also upping his 3 pt%. If he just bumps it up a few points along with more FTs and he'll probably be an All Star.

    Lastly is his assist percentage is the worst of his peers. Fox and Morant 35.3% and 34.1%. Book 24.4 and Edwards 19.3. Jalen at 17.3%. Could be a FVV issue in that it usually starts with FVV and ends up with Green being set up by him which leads to a JG shot. I'm not sure how this is going to change all that much if we have even more ball handlers on the team like Reed and a progressing Amen Thompson. The big difference vs his peers is that they are all the #1 option on their team and Jalen could potentially struggle to even the be #3 option on the team.

    So basically: up the FT rate, up the 3 pt% and increase the assist percentage. I will say that it's up to Jalen. He still has every opportunity to do all of these things and Ime will give him the chances. I am not certain that his leash is anywhere near as long as it was last year however.
     
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    What stakes? There's no stakes for either. I railed against brooks WAY more than jalen
     
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    This is just complete nonsense, nothing more nothing less. You think jalen has been good, i think he's sucked. You're not a math/metrics guy which is fine.
     
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    Dude calling a journeyman a bad pick up is different than calling one of the core long term players on the team a bust. It's a different amount of commitment to that opinion and stakes.

    No one remembers unhinged opinions of journeymen.
     
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    What commitment? What are you even talking about? There are zero stakes to any of this
     
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    I think Jalen green has been disappointing with showings of extreme highs but also a lot of lows.

    You think he is a bust
     
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    The Rockets are committed to Dillon Brooks for this season and 2 more, the Rockets are only committed to Jalen Green for this season....

    So you're wrong again
     
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    Congrats to all of you, you finally reached 300 pages.
     
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    With your 20+ yrs of Rockets/NBA watching you should at least be wise enough to place the metrics/progress as player in proper context

    Green situation is diff than priors who made straight HS to NBA, being didn't he declare and then had to wait a yr (15 YMCA gleague scrimmages) before actually being on NBA team?

    Others who declared at least were on their pro team regardless of PT etc

    So as I have stated on here before, go get the list of Guards/players who made that HS to NBA and compare his metrics to those

    And if you come to conclusion he is still a bust.....then you will also come to conclusion on how hard it was to make that leap, and it usually takes those guards 4 yrs to breakout

    For on my view on that list, Green is more Tmac than he is Telfair/Sanchez......

    But at least in 7 months or so we will all know who he is as far as in/out Rockets plans
     
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    Maybe the term "stakes" gives you an impression in referring to something very important to one's character and life they loved. I'm just merely referring to the fact that you labeling Green a bust so flippantly son often on this message board is going to cause basic human ego issues where you might be in a situation where you might not be as excited as you would be if Jalen Green does make a leap to stardom. You won't be able to enjoy it as much.


    So when I say "stakes" here I'm just merely referring to the fact that the Brooks opinion isn't as hotley debated here. Most people here think Brooks is at Best a inconsistent shooter who can install some defensive values as a veteran to the young core and be a enforcer type defender and be ready to step aside when the young talent is ready to take over his starting role. Almost everyone here agrees at the very least Brooks isn't part of the long term future here unless he resigns with a much smaller contract worthy of a 8th-9th man on a roster. The lower opinion of him is that he should have already been traded or be put in a bench role which is not that different than the more positive opinion.

    Bust to "all-star" is one hell of a swing. Right now even the general non rocket NBA media conenses is "a bit disappointing but still has all-star ceiling but time is running out on reaching that ceiling". A player simply cannot be a bust if there is still hope that he can be an all-star.
     
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    Is the fact that mindless cultists still hold out hope that their deity will miraculously become an all star really the standard here?

    The reality is that Jalen has about 2 months to prove that he's improved enough to finally be a starting caliber player or the team is going to dump him to some team as an expiring contract.

    The cult will likely not lose hope that their guy will miracle his way into the all star game until he retires...
     
  20. astrosrule

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    Absolute garbage and literally the opposite of reality, nothing else really to say. I don't care if my opinions are right or wrong, i hope every negative opinion i have is wrong and every positive opinion is right. I would hope every rockets fan is the same.
     
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