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[2024 Harris/Trump Debate]

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Space Ghost, Sep 8, 2024.

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    That, and also perhaps we grab some real evidence that can’t be fact checked in 2 seconds.

    Call me crazy.
     
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    Veteran GOP strategists overwhelmingly said Wednesday that Vice President Kamala Harris won her debate with former President Donald Trump — stoking internal worry and debate over the likely impact on what’s expected to be the closest election in at least two decades.

    One prominent Republican operative supportive of Trump, 78, told The Post they believed Tuesday’s ABC News debate in Philadelphia likely shifted popular support one percentage point in the Democrat’s favor — at least for now.

    If true, that swing could tilt battleground states that will determine the outcome of the Electoral College to Harris — with the 59-year-old and Trump currently tied in Pennsylvania and within one point of each other in Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina, according to the RealClearPolitics average of recent polls.

    Other Trump allies argued that a tactical win for the veep might not actually matter — pointing to pre-debate polling from the New York Times and Siena College that found 28% of likely voters said they needed to learn more about Harris, while just 9% said the same of Trump.

    One veteran Republican campaign strategist lamented that the debate was “just a missed opportunity” for Trump to gain ground on Harris — with the GOP nominee going off on “obvious tangents” that distracted from his criticism of her record as vice president and flip-flops on major issues.

    “The one that really stuck out to me,” this person recalled, “is the moderator asking her about Afghanistan, which should be like a layup, and then Trump wants to go back and relitigate, you know, NATO stuff.”

    “One of the [Trump] lines I thought was most misaligned was ‘Biden hates her,'” the strategist added.

    “Regardless if that’s true or not, that’s not even helpful for voters to think, and it’s antithetical to the larger point that you’re trying to drive home.”

    Although Trump publicly claimed he won the debate, many of his supporters privately — and in some cases publicly — said otherwise, with former Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) declaring on Fox News Wednesday morning that the forum was “the land of missed opportunities” for the 45th president.

    A major point of discussion following the debate is whether Trump — the dominant figure in US politics for nearly a decade and a master of generating fresh news cycles — would suffer any long-term detriment.

    “For the Trumpists, it won’t matter,” said Dennis Lennox, a Republican strategist and commentator from swing state Michigan.

    “Like a losing sports team, they will complain about the referees even though the former president clearly dropped the football. Trump lost the debate because of his performance or lack thereof. That’s what happens when you wing it,” he said.
     
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    “Between unbalanced fact-checking by the moderators and out-of-context quotes on both sides trying to throw political barbs, undecided voters are left with only style and popularity to gauge their vote for president,” said Republican strategist Dave Wilson of South Carolina, a former TV journalist.

    “Trump unfortunately walked into traps he shouldn’t have, but I don’t think there was a single moment that stood out in people’s minds that’s gonna change how they think of the race,” Wilson said.

    “They were horrific,” the veteran campaign adviser said of moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis. “I really don’t know what Republican campaigns are gonna do long-term. I mean, it’s clear that the sort of mainstream outlets have really decided that they have an ethical, moral obligation to just be completely in the bag for Democrats in a ridiculous way.

    “I’m not necessarily the most Trump-aligned human being in the world, but it was a total f–king hit job from start to finish,” he added. “It’s disgraceful. David Muir should never be anywhere near a debate stage again.”

    One silver lining for Republican strategist John Feehery was that Trump didn’t come across as excessively belligerent against Harris.

    “The great thing about this debate is, he wasn’t a replay of the first debate against Biden in 2020 where he lost the election. I don’t think he acted like a jerk,” Feehery told The Post.

    Feehery voiced regret that Trump didn’t engage in more rigorous preparation and stressed that the Harris-Walz campaign “pretty much broadcast that they were gonna try to get under his skin.” He also noted that Trump seemed underprepared for predictable questions on topics like abortion.

    “Inside the Beltway, Trump clearly lost,” he summed up. “But outside the Beltway, I think he probably held his own and might have won.”

    ‘He didn’t have a good day’
    Almost as soon as Tuesday’s debate ended, the Harris campaign called for a second showdown — an offer Feehery believed Trump should decline.

    “I think she’s a very good liar,” he said. “I think it’s not worth it.”

    Others disagreed.

    “He’s a good debater. I mean, I don’t think anybody would argue with the fact that he didn’t have a good day — he did not have a great debate, but it [would give] him another opportunity to talk directly to the American people,” Republican strategist Brian Darling argued.

    Darling, a former staffer to Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), conveyed optimism that Trump would learn lessons from his first debate, “stay more on message” and refrain from getting distracted.
     
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    Trump says wild stuff often, so this will fade in no time. What won’t fade is he has people focusing on Springfield and the story of 20k Haitians in a town of 60k people. He set the stage for people to see that as a negative, which it is when you consider 6 months is all it took to reach this level. Plus how swamped their social services are, leaving residents behind.

    When people start looking at what’s going on in Springfield (or Aurora), are they going to see something they want in their own community? That’s what’s going to stick with undecided voters by November, no matter what other absurd things he says next. He literally said "grab them by the p***y" and was still elected. This is tame compared to that
     
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    Fortunately, no sexually assaulting Haitian immigrants are running for president.

    Unfortunately-
     
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    Sanders should know a great debater....with the $19,000 Lectrun she supposedly purchased....lol.
     
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    Moving the goalposts are we?
     
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    Not sure what you mean. His cat eating comment will fade away. A small town in middle America near some important swing states being overrun with immigrants will not. Hence the Ohio Governor now doing this:


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    Not sure but these four were (they took four geese according to the official police report). sure not a private pet but maybe a public city pet?

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    again, the story will be how the small town was overran, but best believe we'll be getting more police reports, etc., released that show what's been happening. the driving videos were crazy enough. Hopefully the increased awareness can calm things there.
     
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    What are you talking about? He distracted from any serious concerns with his idiocy. He was given a chance to correct himself and again focus on an a real issue. Instead he tried to make it seem like he wasn't spouting dishonest crap.

    People who are concerned about an influx of immigrants saw that Trump was unable to address their concerns with anything from the real world. People who weren't didn't have their attention brought to the issue. They had their attention drawn to what a dishonest fool Trump is.

    That isn't because of anything the moderators did. It is only because of Trump's lies.
     
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    it really be your own people
     
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    one of the people who helped Trump with debate prep, flew with him on his plane, and attended a 9/11 ceremony with him today
     
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    Did you see the jump in Google searches for Springfield and Haitian? He brought awareness to the situation, which is the whole point. This is why the governor had the statement, which was basically a defense of Trump top considering he called out the current admin
     
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    At this point, Kamala does deserve to hang the Debate Champion Banner up in the WH. She may need to take it home to California in January though.
     
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    I didn't track any data on Google search frequency because that would just be a strange thing to do.

    However, if that is true, most will immediately see that Trump was an unchanged purveyor of dishonesty and move on to Tiktok with the idea that Trump is a lying loser.

    If you want to believe that somehow people searching up and seeing Trump is a liar without a firm grasp on immigration issues will somehow end up helping Trump with the immigration issue, you are free to do so.
     
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