Nope. It's more like this: "Jalen Green has the worst impact on our team offense out of anyone on the team". "Definitely no where near the worst. Here's some reason not like his offensive on/off impact that shows he's no where close to being the worst. His individual efficiency is bad but he definitely has some value outside his individual efficiency because he can break down defenses that collapse them and result in secondary and tertiary assists. He still needs to improve his efficiency to make a leap to a star.level player". People like you :"lol you think his efficiency is fine just because she breaks down defenses?? Lol idiot stanz!". Is it like a reading comprehension issue? A lack of literacy patience to read the remaining 400 words in a comment? What is it that takes people like you say this?
@Easy It's as if you want people to accept that Jalen Green is essentially Grayson Allen where he has nothing to contribute talent wise to a team of his outside shot isn't falling.
Nonsense, in addition to his inefficient 3 point shooting, he can also contribute with inefficient scoring in other ways. Like on drives for example, he's almost as efficient scoring on drives as rookie Cam Whitmore... but nowhere near a good as Sengun. He can also contribute by being the worst defensive player on the court for his team most of the time. Now, if you mean contribute efficiently... yeah, he might as well be Grayson Allen, he can't do anything efficiently unless his 3 is falling like it was during the 8 game hot streak.
I have been mocked, ridiculed, talked down to many times for bringing up efficiency by people who say numbers/metrics/math don’t matter. Idk what forum you’re reading when you say this
LOL comparing a below average 3 pt shooter who misses too much 3s to an elite 3pt shooter I like the Jordan Poole behind the arc comparison better
Welcome to a much more pleasant Clutchfans experience, far less rage inducing idiocy you'll digest now after making this decision. Nevertheless, I do find it a bit of a guilty pleasure every now and then to 'show ignored content' in this thread and get a good laugh at some of the random posts from the Jalen clowns.
Show me who told you it doesn't matter in the absolute sense you're describing. I know you've been told that these numbers are rarely linear in progression or that you can't base your entire analysis of the future on past numbers alone. That's not the same as saying efficiency does not matter. Show me one person who has told you efficiency simply does not matter. You're the 3rd person I'm asking for this, everyone claims it's happened so often, no one seems to be able to demonstrate one example. Bring us one such quote and I'll criticize it with you.
His rebounding is good enough that you can talk about, not in every game but rebounding can lead to fast breaks or at least control of the pace. This team has 5-6 good rebounders though.
Congrats on not understanding the point of bringing Greyson Allen into the conversation. Grayson Allen exists on offense because he's a knock down catch and shoot guy. Without that trait he's useless on offense. Jalen Green as literally multiple opposing team former player commentators have said about Jalen after seeing him in from of them is how he is up there with Ja, Fox, Maxey etc as one of the most sgily and quickest players in the NBA with the ball in their hands. So obviously he has a trait that is elite that doesn't make him irrelevant as Greyson Allen if both hypnotically were equally bad for a season from three. The mere mention that Jalen Green isn't a completely useless player on offense if his outside shot isn't falling somehow offends people. They somehow shadow box with that statement pretending it also means "and therefore Jalen is now a star player". No clue how you got "I believe Jalen Green and Grayson Allen are comparable shooters" from what I said before. You either lack basic reading comprehension or you are in bad fairh misrepresenting what I'm typing.
That's my feeling too. In addition, the 'other players his age who went on to become stars were similarly inefficient at the same age' argument that mathloom mentioned, I feel, is very much forced. Literally, there is no other player in history, that shot in the volume Green was shooting with that efficiency. Hence, his total numbers are less interesting from that perspective.
Why do you even have optimism for Jalen Green? Is that something you just say to create an appearance of being fair?
Oh wow I hit ignore on all the Jaters and suddenly there is peace and a positive path forward in the thread! LOL The bullies clutched their pearls "I only want to talk about everything negative Jalen and anyone who posits otherwise is irrational - we're not the cultists YOU are the cultists"
If you have bad arguments, it won't change my own evaluation. And my optimism is at a very measured optimism, like many people here, more like hoping that things will go right for him. - He is a great athlete - he showed that he is coachable - put effort on defense, improved there - Some improvement on offense He should be a good to great player. I predict his development will be slow and he won't make the leap everyone is expecting. And it will take time to see if he can perform on a high level. If it happens that way, we'll see if the front office will want to invest in him. I think it will be a very tough decision.
"To be honest, I think a lot of people do not realize just how hard the game of basketball really is. They are so immensed in numbers, percentages, that they forget the human element of what it takes to put a basketball in the basket, ESPECIALLY if they have never played." Numbers don't matter, it's the human element that matters. "What are we doing here? Why are so many on here fixated with the 3 pt shot and deem that the only variable in terms of efficiency? Do 2 pt shots not count? If you go by 2 pt% green’s numbers are better than some stars including Booker, Lillard, Kyrie, and NBA champ Tatum in their first 3 years in the league. 3 pt shot isn’t the end all be all. Look at Doncic, Fox 3 pt % their first few years. Jalen has a bag and growing let’s rejoice in that." Three point efficiency isn't that important. It's not about his efficiency, it's that he has a growing "bag." Jalen is 39th in 2 point % among PGs and SGs last year. Actually very few players in league history have put up Green's numbers at his age with his efficiency and every year there are high draft pick high usage players on bad teams. Posted Dec 1, 2023 Give him 2 or 3 more seasons. Posted Nov 28, 2023 ... I wouldn't even consider trading Jalen even if Dallas offered Doncic and Irving together... His ceiling is an upgraded version of Doncic... This is off topic. But still. Posted Nov. 28, 2023
I think the OP's topic of Jalen Green will be the Rockets Numero Uno is why a lot of the so-called "Jaters" keep making negative posts. Just like in the Sengun is the Franchise player thread... I don't think Sengun is the "Franchise" player - yet. He doesn't have an outside shot to stretch the defense to open up the SenHub to maximum effect. He is also a middle of the pack defender. My issues with Jalen is the lack of shooting progress and the lack of distribution improvement. On the shooting, I don't like his form and think until he fundamentally changes the starting point of his shot, that he will continue to struggle with consistency. Also, I think to make the "leap," I think he has to be able to up his assist ratio - that will be an indicator to me that he is making the right play more often. His game will come easier if he is a willing passer once he breaks down the defense. Figuring out the pecking order is important for building a contender. We have to figure out who to pay max money when they roll off their rookie deals. After last year, going into the off-season, I thought that Sengun was the leader in the process of figuring out who is the Numero Uno on a championship contender - but he isn't there yet. Then I have Amen as a close contender in the second spot. I then have Reed Sheppard as my third choice for someone who might become a "Numero Uno" - but Reed's positioning is all speculation as we haven't seen enough to know much at all. I don't think Cam Whitmore, Tari Eason, Jabari Smith Jr., or Jalen Green will ever be the Numero Uno on a championship contender. Green still has that upside and I think Cam has a very slim chance but I wouldn't expect that from Cam or Jalen at this point would become the best player on a contender as their games are too flawed. This doesn't mean I think they aren't good players or worth keeping around - they all (including Jabari & Tari) have have the talent to be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a contender as their reasonable upside.
I agree the sentiment is similar with the 'Sengun is the franchise player' thread. The difference is there is no 'Alpater' left in that thread, because Alpi improved consistently, proving every claim(foul prone, turnover prone, lacks stamina, bad in clutch, liability in the fourth, bad defender, ...) against him wrong, except mainly for outside shooting.
Mainly I expect something from Alpe and he delivers every darn time. He has off games now and then, I believe that first half against the Bulls. I do not expect anything from Green, he surprises for sure but it is different stance.
