I mean, that should really be a safe bet. It would've been that way last year if they didn't focus on FVV dribbling the air out of the ball and meandering back and forth in the lane for the first 2/3 of the season. Who do you expect to be a better scorer, the person who's consistently every single season of their career had monster superstar scoring performances, or the person who struggled to score over 15 points for their first 2 seasons and still couldn't put up as many monster games as ANY of Jalen's season when they were the focus of the offense?
Did you not just gloss over April with some weak ass excuses about usage and the Rockets not caring? That was you, right? If the goal posts have moved, they have been moved by Jalen Green stans who consistently blame everyone other than Jalen Green. Coaches, teammates, spacing, schedule, etc, etc, etc. Do all-star players generally improve at a faster rate than JG did from year 2 to year 3? If you are suggesting that Jalen Green improved enough last year to be a fixture in Houston, I vehemently disagree. That is a laughable assessment. That’s not to say that he can’t be, but polishing up the turd that was our SG play last year reads like false revisionism. What we see most from Jalen Green fanatics is a lack of accountability, and now we are seeing the dismissal of the importance of shooting efficiency from a player that is below average in every other facet of basketball. If a skinny, bulk scoring guard can’t efficiently bulk score, what are we doing? I’m super stoked that he didn’t look like the worst SG in NBA history in March. No doubt, 100% stoked. I had him picked over Evan Mobley, and am still hoping, but revisionism is revisionism. Jalen Green’s progress needs to accelerate, and thank goodness he seems to take more accountability than his fans do. These posts in here read like they come from Stephen Silas’s KPJ/JG playbook.
Assists included, has Jalen Green ever generated as many efficient points on offense as Alperen did for the Rockets last year? Serious question. The case you are making for Jalen Green could be made for Malik Monk, who gets his teammates involved more than JG, and is far more efficient too.
Alpi is better. Malik Monk had a 50% ts for his first three years in the league and barely averaged more assists than turnovers while averaging like 9 PPG on shitty Hornet teams where any young talented player should be getting high usage. He couldn't even earn high usage on a 22 win team. Jalen's trajectory is significantly higher than Monk
I had Jalen Green doing what he did in March on pre draft and draft night analysis. I had Green transitioning from teen body to man body around 3rd season (age 21) but I had him weighing around 187 pounds year 2 and weighing around MJ weight of 197 pounds in 3rd year. I was not happy that the Rockets gave VanVleet and Dillon Brooks so much money. Anyone with half a brain knows that VanVleet and Brooks would want to show that they were worth their free agency contracts. Pecking order would be something like: 1) VanVleet ($40 M) 2) KPj 3) Sengun 4) Dillon Brooks $20 M 5) Jalen Green Udoka tried giving Jalen a try early......but I always tell people vets usually struggle a month or two when a new coach installs their system. It was tough on Jalen in the beginning trying to grasp the system after dealing with Silas for two years. Sengun has been playing pro ball since he was 16. So Udoka moved Jalen to spot shooter just like Silas did in year one of his rookie year. Just like Silas did to Jabari his rookie year. Jalen gets it now: 1)spacing from high screen allows him to pin his ears back and go down hill. Jumps into the shot blocker instead of trying to avoid contact or Euro-steps them. 2) excels and jumps off one leg now. Used to leap with two leg take off. He has gotten stronger since year 1.
What has that got to do with scoring? Serious question. Shall we compare? Let's do that. (Read what you reply to in future, otherwise it's just easy to make you look silly in your responses, we're talking about who's likely to be the top scorer, nothing more, nothing less.) Alperen Sengun entire career: 30 pts games - 9 40 pts games - 1 Career average - 14.9pts Jalen Green year 1 30 pt games - 7 40 pt games - 1 Average - 17.3pts Jalen Green year 2 30 pt games - 12 40 pt games - 4 Average - 22.1pts Jalen Green year 3 30 pt games - 11 40 pt games - 2 Average - 19.6pts Jalen Green Career 30 pt games - 30 40 pt games - 7 Career average - 19.8pts Your irrelevant tangents have nothing to do with it. But sure, keep up the dickriding, I'm sure Alpi loves you for it. For somebody you're claiming is a better scorer, why are his totals absolute trash in comparison? His entire career just about beats Jalen's rookie season in terms of big scoring performances, I'm so impressed. Alpi as the focus of the offense in year 3 couldn't put up as many big performances on the scorer's sheet as Jalen did in 1 month, just remember that.
That's really what has taken me out of the conversation, at first I gave them the benefit of the doubt and thought that they were morons or fanbois that were blinded by love....but it turns out that most of them are simply dishonest pieces of **** that on some level know they are lying and pushing false narratives Baghdad Bob style, and I don't have time for that type of person. Now sure, it's caused by the same thing, an unhealthy obsession with a single basketball player, but that doesn't really make it any better.
Hard to believe Sengun averages more points taking less shots and 5.5 less 3 pt attempts per game, the guy with absolute thrash totals.
You could make the same breakdown for Malik Monk or Jordan Clarkson. Meaningless. Adding points efficiently is important. Does Jalen Green add more total points than Alperen? Does he do it efficiently? Does he make his teammates better? Can he control tempo? Can he score efficiently when it gets physical, when it matters? Last season in crunch time, Jalen was either out of the game, turning the ball over, or shooting it inefficiently. Hopefully he turns the corner THIS season, but it feels really strange to crown his ass with the data we have so far. Last year was not impressive by any stretch of the imagination. In March he showed us why we drafted him, but March does not a season make… he has been much better post-ASB in every season of his career. I’ll give you one guess as to why that is… He isn’t ready yet. Hopefully he gets there this year, or we have tough decisions to make.
First 3 years Player A 10.34 missed shots per 36min 30.61 points generated per 36 min Player B 8.88 missed shots per 36min 31.79 points generated per 36 min let me guess blame Silas, Ime, and teammates right?
It damn well better be, and I’d love to see JG crush the Monk/Clarkson types immediately out of the gate this year. If he is healthily competing with Booker and Edwards, A WHOLE LOT of our franchise worries go away. Please basketball gods… let it be so.
I've said it before - I think the better discussion on Jalen is "what does his next contract look like based upon what we know right now?" We know a good season probably nets him a rookie max extension, but what if he gives us more of the same inconsistency? Is there a team out there that would pay him $38.7m next year to be an occasional highlight and swing between abysmal and very good? If so, what could you extract from them for the rights to Jalen? If not - what's the price? What's the value play for the team? Is there a number that buys the Rockets more time for him to improve that Jalen would accept?? This topic probably deserves it's own thread so it's not lost in the Jaters and Humpers "discussion".
I don't think you know what moving goal posts means bro. The person moving the goal posts always has some make believe reason to do so - like subjectively calling an argument an excuse. You can imagine this is a waste of time if we just call each other's reasoning excuses back and forth out of laziness. What you see is some people cite evidence beyond historical stats and some people are going to die on the historical stats hill. Projections don't work that way, otherwise we wouldn't ever need humans to make them. Enjoy your remaining few weeks of "how could I possibly have known he's going to take a step up". I'll remind you exactly how you could have known.
lol you claiming other posters are dying on some hill when you've been claiming you are certain of an imminent jalen breakout non stop for the past 3 seasons only to be foiled over and over again is some level of hypocrite. even a broken clock is correct twice per day so i guess there's still hope for you. given your reaction to some posters here who have been pretty fair in giving legit criticisms of jalen's game... other than jalen stans, don't expect any praise or sympathy from the majority of posters for your jalen fan fiction threads. the only chapter i'd personally consider reading is chapter 11 - if you would even have the balls to admit you were wrong.
You know how I know you are full of ****? You have to keep making up stories about me. Nice you slipped in the broken clock thing to protect yourself when I come to own you this season. It won't work, I'm going to be shoving crow down your throat while you say "but I'm happy I was wrong!!" Hahaha You don't need to be out here acting like you're defending other posters, we're having grown up conversations. We praise and criticize each other and I'm all good with it. You're clearly triggered by me even though you have absolutely nothing to add. You just replied to let your own frustration out and it's showing in front of all the grown ups. When you have something to say other than "duhhh he will do next season what he did last season why would anything else happen" let us know. There's only one chapter left and if this is triggering you, wait to see what I'm going to predict there. Yes, I stand by my predictions when you don't have the balls to make one. Tell us, what's your prediction for Jalen next season? When you have the balls to put something solid on the table instead of just trolling, maybe we'll take you seriously. Here's another prediction: you're going to make a half-assed prediction that gives you an out because you don't value what you predict.
