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Israel recovers bodies of six hostages held by Hamas, including American citizen

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  1. Xopher

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    You still didn't address this would have happened 6 months ago. Blaming Kamala for this is a sign of a low I.Q. individual.
     
  2. durvasa

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    None of this is surprising. This is why families of hostages have been imploring the governments involved to reach an agreement for ceasefire and releases of their loved ones.

    Israeli leaders hoped for a PR victory with their rescue operation, knowing full well the risks involved to the hostages, because agreeing to a permanent ceasefire deal with Hamas terrorists is simply off the table.

    The positions are set in stone and more hostages will continue to die.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    It's been off the table from HAMAS' side.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    You know how I can tell some people don't really care much about Israel's security?

    • Hamas attacked and murdered more than 1,400 civilians and took
    • Netanyahu had been warned and had knowledge. He could have prevented it or at least taken strong measures to make it never happened.
    • Israel refused to take even the previous safety measures done in the past to limit civilian casualties.
    • Neither Hamas nor Netanyahu have agreed to a deal to get more hostages released.
    Response from those that don't truly care and just want to lash out at local political opponents: "It's Vice President Harris' fault"
     
  5. Supermac34

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    I mean you're damned if you do, damned if you don't negotiate for hostage releases, right? If you negotiate every time there are hostages, then Hamas knows that they have a viable tool to get more hostages next time to get concessions. If you don't negotiate, then the hostages are at risk or are killed, but then Hamas knows that its not a viable strategy in the future.
     
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  6. Kemahkeith

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    Isn't it the United States policy to not deal with those holding Americans as hostages
     
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    Palestinians have learned that secular resistance measures by leftist socialist movements like the PLO doesn't work also.

    Palestinians are learning all the wrong lessons because Israel is teaching them all the wrong lessons.


    The one lesson Hamas got out of post Oct 7th actions is that the IDF is a great recruitment tool.
     
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    If you want to see more hostages being taken, you reward those who take hostages.
     
  9. Amiga

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    Yes and No. Officially, yes (no concession), but realistically, no. I think the U.S. government circumvents the stated policy of no concessions by "negotiating" with state actors (meaning not solely hostage takers) as a logical means to bypass the policy, but frankly, it amounts to concessions.

    Note that the longstanding policy is to make no concessions, but NOT to avoid communication.

    "The U.S. Government may itself communicate with hostage-takers, their intermediaries, interested governments, and local communities to attempt to secure the safe recovery of the hostage. The U.S. Government may also assist private efforts to communicate with hostage-takers to secure the safe recovery of a hostage, whether directly or through public or private intermediaries; these efforts will be focused on ensuring the safety and security of a family to prevent them from being defrauded or further victimized by a hostage-taker. In short, we will not abandon families in their greatest time of need."

    The reality is that both the U.S. and Israel have made concessions to get hostages back.
     
  10. Amiga

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    I'm not sure where the current deal stands, but the previous one had at least three steps to the "permanent ceasefire." I put that in quotes because it's subject to Hamas's behavior—so it’s not permanent if Hamas breaks the peace. The three-plus steps involve concrete activities before reaching that point, and each of them involves the return of hostages.

    There is room for negotiation, and I don't think it is set in stone.
     
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    I have tweets blocked, so I’m not seeing any of these. From the blank posts I do see, I can guess which posters are spreading the politicization of dead hostages.
     
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    Like Russia?
     
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    Reagan bargained with the Iranians under the table where the win made him look stronger than Carter.

    Lesson here was that you can get away with a lot of things if you forgot you did it.
     
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    You know how I know you don't care about the hostages or Israeli citizens?
     
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