Teammates surrounding a weak link and providing help defense shows up as a great defender. Get said great defender one-on-one on the perimeter, said great defender gets destroyed without help defenders being right there......helping. That's why we play Drop Coverage with Sengun. You and I see it for what it is.......often defense is measured by those around the individual player
That's the thing. People lose context here sometimes: this is a fan board. The primary function is to cheer. Optimism is the default UNLESS something extraordinarily negative takes place. It's a unique space on earth where optimism is more fitting than realism. We're supposed to cheer when they're up and when they're down. Really any time other than things like if a player intentionally hurts the team, is lazy or turns on our own guys, commits serious crime off the court. It's a brotherhood (sisters welcome) not a company. We're not their bosses, we're their bros. Talking **** about our players for not being intelligent or for missing a skill or for thinking a bad shot is a good shot is ridiculous. Or worst of all, angry at a player for getting overpaid!! As if you would ever recognize that you were overpaid. As long as they're trying their best, I'm good. If they repeat a stupid pattern I expect the coach to bench or correct the player. The dichotomy is very strange. There are people here who act like fans of ownership/management rather than fans of basketball players. You're not the GM. You're a fan. Be supportive of our guys and realistic about the task at hand.
Jalen and Jabari have not shown themselves to be consistent, winning players yet. I think everyone is hoping for the best, but it shouldn't be surprising that the sentiment isn't unanimously positive. It seems reasonable to consider outcomes other than Jalen becoming an all star given the track record up to now, especially when there is so much talent on the roster that has shown promise with fewer opportunities. That's not being a Jater, it's being realistic. Sometimes players don't work out.
Jalen hasn't been consistent at his role as a 19-22 year old. No player ron he roster would be consistent in his role. If Jalen doesn't work out, his replacement is probably on another team that is a older more polished version of him. That's the issue I have with people like you. Cam is not going to replace what Green does. Amen isn't either. Sheppard is such a unknown at this point.
Pretty sure your missed the entire point of that post. Oh and no I don't think it's reasonable/realistic to be more pessimistic than one of the most cynical head coaches in the NBA who has overachieved in both his NBA seasons. I think that's unrealistic.
Is it not a bit biased to compare Jalen's potential outcome to Cam and Amen's fixed present? They were rookies last year. It's more likely they have more room to grow. I realize Jalen is better with the ball in his hands, but to what end? He's been good at creating inefficient shots so far. He has the potential to be more, but so do Cam and Amen.
I can examine the skillsets Green had as a rookie. Was Amen and Cam able to split double teams as a rookie with a handle? Jalen improved as a ball handler since entering the league but his staring position as a self creator was far more advanced than both those two coming in Just for perspective. Big Jalen and Cam have the exact same adjusted rookie scoring efficiency at 97 rTs (adjusted ts%). The difference is Jalen scored 50% of his fgs made as a rookie unassisted while Cam was at 30%. So rookie Green with the same efficiency as Cam did it on much higher volume and on much higher difficulty of shot types. Cam also averaged more turnovers than assists. The thing about our offense since it has so many young players is that It is very pnr possession heavy. The two players that are by far the best primary ball handlers for those possessions are Fred and Jalen. Who's going to replace those possessions if Jalen is t here? Reed I would say is more like than those two. But Reed is such an unknown.
Rookie rTS is an interesting comparison considering Jalen's has regressed the last two seasons. I wouldn't assume Cam's would regress similarly. Also, rTS is normalized against the league average for a given year. It doesn't really make sense to compare those between separate seasons. I'm for running Jalen early this year for the reasons mentioned. If he doesn't show improvement though, you consider the other options, even if not perfectly ideal offensively.
Wut.... That is literally the point of adjusted numbers. To adjust for differences in seasons. Also we are talking about two seasons after Green's rookie year where you could utilize context for those two seasons. For example, if Cam stagnates on ts% next season but ups his average by 5 ppg and ups his rate of self creation by 10% (Green went from 50% to 60% his sophomore year) is that a "regression"? I would say that's a net improvement as your repssiblity and usage shot up and you didn't drop much efficiency from it. From Green's second to third season he entered a new coaching system with entirely new expectations especially in defense. For the first time in his career he was asked to give equal effort on defense and that effected his shooting. Cam is going into his sophomore season with not much changing in terms of coaching, roster etc. He has continuity here. If he doesn't massively up his volume, then he better increase his efficiency. If he ups his volume by a lot and maintains roughly the same efficiency as last season then I'd say he's improving.
Ok, fair enough on the rTS comparison between seasons. But I wouldn't say scoring more points on even lower efficiency is not a regression. A progression would be more like Ant, who's had a similar increase in usage and went from a 91 TS+ to 99 in his first 3 years.
Well Ant is allegedly a superstar. So ya Green is not that. Maybe in the future. No one is denying that Green hasn't made a star leap. We are talking about a hypothetical replacement for Jalen which I don't think is on the roster. Because for all this talk about ts% improvements, it misses the entire point about the fact that Green's replacement is most likely not on the roster if he doesn't show improvement in efficiency this season. Ya we would need to trade him then. Probably attach picks and get someone at a Booker/Mitchell level if available
Agree with all that. The timing of a leap matters though, right? It's ideal that the leap is made before a decision about committing max dollars has to be made. Perhaps Amen, Reed or Cam can do that with ample time left. It seems like Jalen might not, but hopefully he does this season
No gm in the league would even attempt to offer him that deal. It's laughable, but expected from you and sadly, it's even more hilarious that there's several others around here that would agree with you. Even some that state they should just cut him. The crazy agendas around here concerning Jalen are obviously, at least the majority, are a bunch of dudes, including yourself, that either don't have a clue about the game, simply like to push people's buttons from behind a keyboard or both.
you and other jalen super fans get defensive over what are fair criticisms of jalen green. yes, there are a few posts that have gone over the line in terms of jalen criticism but for the most part, most of the posts here have been based on fair points backed up with actual data from jalen's past 3 seasons, which have been very poor by any standard. people who mindlessly support players on their own team and disregard any criticism as hate are not actual fans of the team - that's called being a homer. obviously, we all have our favorite players... but that doesn't mean you go around giving other rockets fans grief for calling it as they see it. it's facts that jalen has been a disappointment thus far. REAL FANS want what's best for the team - supporting players comes second to team success. and no, jalen has not been a hard worker, a good teammate, or a good on/off court influence. he's been an embarrassment off the court with all his baby mama issues and it's embarrassing as a rockets fan to seem him connected to all these social media thots and impregnating women older than his own mom. his pouting and end-game interviews criticizing the coaching, blaming everything but himself was not a good sight to see last season. while he hasn't been as bad as kpj or cwood, he hasn't been some model citizen hard worker type that is easy to cheer for. let's all hope he has matured and grown up this season and that he actually gives a s*** about playing real basketball instead of playing for personal accolades and social media clout for once.
Lol at this Jerry Falwell moralizer rant. You sound unhinged here. You wouldn't understand hard work if it slapped you across the face. People like you are the type of people who could easily be fooled by conmen mlm types as long as they talk a certain way.
It's well deserved with your ass. Plenty of people low on Green who don't act like you. So self reflect on how and why you are different. Also for someone like you who basically have made a moral judgement on Green there is no "I hope he proves me wrong" narrative here that will work. If he shows up this season you can't turn back from those type of comments. You will simply disappear. That means Green failing is something you hope so you can show your clown face up here with some basic dignity and not look like a clown.
Replace the 7th ranked center (that the whole league, players, coaches and analysts included, are in love with his game) with the 35th ranked one. Brilliant!!! Edit: Based on PER
