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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. tinman

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    Every Jew isn’t a Zionist. There are many Jews that do not support the mission of Zionists.
     
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    What is the "mission of Zionists", in your mind?
     
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    Many of the leaders of the student protests against Israel are Jewish.
     
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    LOL at the leftists implicitly categorizing self-hating Jews as "good Jews".
     
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    Also, people seem to have very different conceptions of what "Zionist" and "Zionism" means.

    On the hard-left, it is often used as a slur to refer to people who think Palestinians need to be ethnically cleansed to make way for Jews.

    In reality, "Zionism" is just a general term for Jews migrating to historic Israel. In the first half of the 20th century, there was a left-wing Zionist movement that was not looking to establish a "Jewish state" and was targeting instead a bi-national state to which Jews would be permitted to migrate. Even Noam Chomsky, one of the most prolific critics of the Israeli government and the US's military relationship with Israel, was affiliated with this Zionist movement in his younger days (and he even lived in a Kibbutz for a period of time).

    I have no problems with Zionism as a general idea, especially when you consider the rampant antisemitism in the West in the first half of the 20th century.
     
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    LOL at white supremacists implicitly categorizing self-hating Russians, Iraqis, Venezuelans as "good Russians", "good Iraqis", "good Venezuelans".
     
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    Socalled "Historic Israel" or "promised lands" includes the parts of Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Palestine.

    So zionism is an extremist, bloodlust idea that needs to be erased from the face of the earth.
     
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    It isn’t my definition - it is the definition used by Zionists… it is the establishment of a Jewish homeland in the Palestinian territory and consolidation there of. Zionists leaders have admitted that it goes against the popular view of self determination.
     
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    This is a crass misrepresentation, as used by islamists.
     
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    And the orignial intellectual leaders of Zionism in Europe when the ideology formed openly admitted it to be a settler colonial project that will cause tensions with the local indigenous non-jewish population.
     
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    Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.

    It just means that they want to have and preserve their own state.

    To say "in the Palestinian territory" when there never was a state called Palestine means adopting Hamas' language.
     
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    Not true though:

    It was something in 1924
     
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    There was never a nation state called Palestine. This is a British Passport.

    During the British mandate of Palestine, that territory was inhabited by Jews and Arabs.
     
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    Why does there have to be an existing state to displace humans?
     
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    Should have gone to Rafah immediately
    Those dumb kids sitting in college mean nothing to their citizens
     
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    I doesn't matter, it shows that people were there and that region (or w/e you wanna call it), was called Palestine.
     
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    It does matter.

    There was never a nation state that belonged to one group of people and that was "taken over" by another group, there was a territory in which different groups of people lived.

    Much of the falsely attempted justification for the atrocities of those Arabs who nowadays call themselves "Palestinians" is based on a propaganda myth that it was only their "homeland".

    That was never the case, although their side had genocidal intent to drive "infidels" out, and has been carrying it out throughout the history of the region.
     
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