I have a family member who’s boyfriend became obsessed with this stuff out of nowhere after multiple years into their relationship. He got extremely weird and thankfully she left him. It’s scary and dark stuff, I don’t think those videos are for women, it’s for guys trying to convince themselves and their partners that this type of women is real (and ideal). At least that’s what it was for my family member.
I think chowd has a point @Nook but honestly theres no shame in not knowing where he’s coming from because this is weird internet brain **** for 20 years old on tiktok.
No - the Republicans are worse than Democrats when it comes to misogyny in 2024 based on my personal observations. I don't know about 50-60 years ago - at this point there is a clear and large separation between the parties on that topic.
There are certainly lots of dark and nasty things on the internet with women that are using trad wife..... and there is a connection with the supposed male empowerment movement, with idiots like Andrew Tate. My point was simple - those examples do not represent all trad wives and that the term is much wider for the women that I know and I am around. So if someone calls themselves a trad wife, it doesn't necessarily mean they are oppressed or oppressive or socially conservative - and not labeling or pigeonholing women with that term, is part of what feminism is.
People not online just use "housewife" or "stay at home mothers". "Trad" in itself implies "not progressive" hence why political culture war provocactors use it because it subliminally implies that progressives are AGAINST the concept of stay at home mothers if a woman chooses that for herself. A stay at home mom doesn't have to be "traditional". It's just a thing a woman chooses because she thinks it's for the best interest of the family or it's something she enjoys or both and all three are reasonable choices for why a woman chooses that. Also I feel like most women go through eras in their lives where they might believe their career desires are more important and then later decide being a full time stay at home mom is more important or vice versa. At least with most woman I know that's how it is. They prioritize based on the phase of life they are at. Some women want to go back to being career driven after their children are more independent like at teenage age. At the end of the day we all agree it's about agency.
I understand where your coming from @Nook but it might be akin to self describing oneself as woke to indicate that you’re simply awake these days
And we can all agree that the main barrier for any woman who desires to be a stay at home full time mother is our economic system spreading families thin forcing two income households to meet basic needs.
Maybe I am wrong in a larger context - I can only speak on what I hear my wife and her friends say. They use the term trad wife or traditional wife. I do know that they do not like, or in some cases loathe some of the other women that declare themselves to be trad wives. I can say, that at least in Chicago - they don't use or like the term housewife.
After the 1960s, when social conservatives made their way to the Rs, methinks that the Rs owned the men who strongly thought that their wives (and all other wives) should do what their husbands said. After the 1990s when pro life Rs became extinct, the Rs owned the pro life position ... where old, white, rich men had the final say of whether a woman has the right to decide for herself. I also find this deeply misogynistic. My wife like yours knows where the bricks are so I keep the occasional why-cant-she-just-do-what-I-ask comments to myself
It would be cool if trannies would try to take over the Trad Wife space. Please, universe, make this happen.
Maybe this is what gatekeeping looks like. But I'd say if I met a woman at a cocktail party who told me she was a trad wife, the trajectory of the ensuing conversation would be much different than if she had said housewife or stay-at-home mom. I'd be polite, but I would be on guard to steer clear of anything remotely controversial because I would fear she would not be simpatico. Maybe it is because it got hijacked by social media, but many hearers (including me) will draw potentially mistaken conclusions from the use of that word. "Evangelical" was like that. I went to an evangelical church and they used that word proudly. They had a theological conception of what that meant. Then the christian nationalists co-opted it and my church had to drop it. We weren't evangelical the way the Christian nationalists meant it.
"Trad wife" sounds like a label people apply to others a lot more then they apply to themselves. Not sure how many women who live that lifestyle go around calling themselves trad wives or traditional wives. I imagine most at cocktail parties would simply identify themselves as a housewife or STAHM.
This seems nothing more than an internet phenomenon, well thats, obvious but its cool they get to share their lives and forum. This is new to me. It seems the point is not just being stay at home but being submissive. Stay at home doesn't mean submissive. Trad seems to mean the husband has final say so round this homestead
That's kinda my point. It would appear to me like you were trying to communicate something very specific if you were actually saying that out loud.
Wasn't this called being a Stepford wife back in the day? I must say I'm just chiming in because I'm bored
Don't i know im not even knowledgeable about Stepford Wives but everyone is going deep on their analysis but a quick Google search says the key is being submissive Women for the most part are equal in the home nowadays regardless of working or not and have been for a generation at least These are just some wannabe old school Mormons
