I don't think it should be a vote at all, we have all the stats and metrics. They should just take some combination of how you rank in all the defensive categories and that person should win.
Oh i wish! I think it’s stupid they still vote for awards in baseball instead of just mvp = highest war. I don’t think the metrics for defense (at least what’s publicly available) are good enough yet though.
I agree that's why I didn't want to use just one metric. We should take everything into account. Winshares, bpm, blocks, steals and see how they rank to pick the award. If not that I think the general managers voting would also be better. They are the ones making personnel moves and constantly watching other teams to find next big thing.
uh Marc Gasol got voted to all defensive second team and won DPOY over Lebron. Pretty bad if you ask me. Jordan had no business winning over Hakeem. Rudy had no business winning it this year.
There's almost no situation where someone who isn't a center should ever be in contention. Lebron certainly never deserved a dpoy that's silly (though not as utterly asinine as smart). A perimeter guy can never have anywhere near the impact of a big so they should never be in consideration. Rudy last year was a no brainer, silly he wasn't unanimous.
You missed the point. I only said Lebron cuz he was second in voting last year. But how does a DPOY not make all defensive first team. It doesn't even make sense,
Reading from all the thread titles it seems like we have tons of franchise level players. ONe of the things I will be keen on next season is who gets benched the least. Last season Ime did a great job of benching guys like Jabari, Jalen and Apli when they were doing stuff from the Silas days. He really spelled it out for them in the post game interviews too. So next season, whoever gets benched the least is likely to have progressed the most. Perhaps this can settle once and for all - who is really truly factually the 'FRANCHISE" player.
It's funny to see these guys listed together. Alperen and Jabari were rarely benched. Jalen Green lived on the bench. Let's not create a false equivalency for 2023.
I wouldn't interpret each benching as not progressed accordingly but most times it was about who had the best outing that night and helped to win. The rest that didn't help got benched. Simple as that. Or in losses, who didn't have a good night and couldn't turn it around.
jabari the clown is the top nba player in terms of needing to be benched. he does not belong in any nba team starter rotation. period. they ingored to see that for years. for the sake of his father. this year, he will stick to the end of bench after a few tens of games with adam and senguen starting. they might make up an injury, just like they did for momma eason, for the sake of, wait for it, Jabari the clown. He would not make it to any african national team.
They averaged the exact same minutes per game and Jalen played all 82 games. So that logic makes no sense. How can one person be benched a lot more when they both averaged the same minutes. Also this is the reality: Jalen: 32nd percentile in on/off impact https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4865/onoff#tab-team_efficiency Jabari: 12th Percentile in on/off impact https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/5092/onoff#tab-team_efficiency Both were starters on the same team so on/off impact here has a lot of value on evaluation as there is less noise than comparing this to two different players on different teams or one stater and one bench player on the same team. Bari was the worst stater last season. It's okay. He also was the youngest.
I agree Jabari is not the most consistent player but he just finished his second season and made significant improvements from his first. It is a little too early to write him off. They may very well play Segun at the 4 and Adams at the 5 some however I would assume how much they do that would depend on how much Sengun has improved from long range.
