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[Official] Kamala Harris for President 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sajan, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    They can't cope with facts which go against their ideological delusion.

    That's why they first try to censor, and when they get into power, they put people into jail (see: UK) or Gulags (see: Soviet Union, China, etc.).
     
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  2. Nook

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    Okay?

    First it wasn't her administration, it was Biden's.

    Second, she was never in charge of the Border - Homeland Security controlled that.

    What she did was very specific - she handled diplomatic relations with El Salvador, Guatamala and Honduras. She was in charge of distributing funds directed at decreasing illegal immigration from those countries - and immigration from those countries actually did go down quite a bit.

    She was not in charge or involved in illegal immigration from Venezuela, Mexico or anywhere else except those three countries.

    I don't agree with Harris on a lot of issues - I have concerns about her economic "policies". Having said that, a lot of the attacks against her are just not accurate or only half truths - which makes it really difficult to get facts.

    I don't know if she will win the Presidency or be a good President - but I do know that the attacks against her on the border and what happened when she was VP are largely bullshit. She was not President, she served under Biden - and a lot of what she did was limited, like her involvement with the border.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    She was officially put in charge of the Border in March 2021.





    https://apnews.com/general-news-3400f56255e000547d1ca3ce1aa6b8e9

    Biden taps VP Harris to lead response to border challenges
    Updated 7:29 PM EDT, March 24, 2021

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has tapped Vice President Kamala Harris to lead the White House effort to tackle the migration challenge at the U.S. southern border and work with Central American nations to address root causes of the problem.

    Biden made the announcement as he and Harris met at the White House on Wednesday with Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandra Mayorkas and other immigration advisers to discuss the increase in migrants, including many unaccompanied minors, arriving at the border in recent weeks.

    In delegating the matter to Harris, Biden is seeking to replicate a dynamic that played out when he served as President Barack Obama’s vice president. Obama turned to Biden in his first term to lead the White House effort to draw down U.S. troops in Iraq and oversee implementation of stimulus in response to the Great Recession.

    “When she speaks, she speaks for me,” Biden said, noting her past work as California’s attorney general makes her specially equipped to lead the administration’s response.

    Biden, who has faced stiff criticism from Republicans over the increased flow of migrants, is hoping to show Americans he’s taking the situation at the border seriously. He also wants to prevent the growing humanitarian and political challenge from overshadowing his administration’s ambitious legislative agenda.

    But the high-profile assignment for Harris, who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020 and is expected to run for the White House again in the future, could be politically fraught.


    “Needless to say, the work will not be easy,” Harris said. “But it is important work.”

    Harris is tasked with overseeing diplomatic efforts to deal with issues spurring migration in the Northern Triangle countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, as well as pressing them to strengthen enforcement on their own borders, administration officials said. She’s also tasked with developing and implementing a long-term strategy that gets at the root causes of migration from those countries.

    Biden suggested President Donald Trump’s decision to cut $450 million funding in 2019 to the region was partly to blame for the situation.

    Among the other reasons for the current increase: the thousands of Central American migrants already stuck at the border for months and the persistent scourge of gang violence afflicting the Northern Triangle countries.

    Still, the numbers of both unaccompanied minors and families encountered at the border are lower than they were at various points during the Trump administration, including in spring 2019.

    For Harris, the assignment gives her the first big opportunity to step to the front of the stage on a matter of enormous consequence for the administration. As the first Black woman elected vice president, Harris arrived on the job as a trailblazer. It has remained opaque how Biden would utilize her.

    The move echoes not only Obama’s decision to deputize Biden but also Trump naming Vice President Mike Pence to lead his coronavirus task force and President Bill Clinton handing Vice President Al Gore environmental and technology portfolios early in his presidency.

    It’s been a mixed bag for vice presidents in recent history who have been made the point person on delicate matters, said Joel Goldstein, the author of “The White House Vice Presidency: The Path to Significance, Mondale to Biden.”

    Pence’s efforts on the coronavirus were stymied by Trump’s hijacking of the task force’s daily briefings early in the pandemic. Dick Cheney, who had been charged with leading George W. Bush’s search for a vice president only to take the spot himself, carved out what was seen by many critics as a shadow presidency in which he had an outsized influence on shaping Bush’s national security policies.

    And Gore faced headwinds from Republicans in Congress who were reluctant to give him a win ahead of his unsuccessful 2000 run for the White House.

    “Some of the risk versus reward depends to some extent on the vice president’s relationship with the president,” Goldstein said. “Whether or not the president had their back. Whether the president’s going to allow you to be in a position to accomplish things and be perceived to accomplish things.”

    Biden made the announcement as a delegation of White House officials and members of Congress was traveled to the southern border on Wednesday to tour a facility in Carrizo Springs, Texas, where more than 750 migrant teenagers are being held.

    The Biden administration has in recent weeks moved to open more than 10,000 new beds across the Southwest in convention centers and former oilfield camps. It notified Congress on Wednesday that it will open a new 3,000-person facility in San Antonio and a 1,400-person site at the San Diego convention center. HHS is also opening a second site in Carrizo Springs and received approval from the Defense Department Wednesday to begin housing teenagers at military bases in San Antonio and El Paso, Texas.

    While acknowledging a “big problem” with the rising numbers of migrants, Rep. Norma Torres, D-Calif., one of five lawmakers to tour the facility Wednesday, credited the Biden administration with treating young migrants far more humanely than the Trump administration.

    In an interview after the tour, Torres described children accommodated four to a room, and said she saw no signs of overcrowding. The young people attend school, have access to health care and are given weekly COVID-19 tests. Lawmakers were told 1 in 10 children are testing positive for the virus, but none at the facility had been hospitalized, she said.

    “When I look at those kids, I see myself,” said Torres, an immigrant from Guatemala who arrived in the U.S. with her family as a child.

    The White House faced criticism for limiting media access to Wednesday’s tour, keeping it to just one TV crew. It has still not allowed media to enter Border Patrol facilities where large numbers of children are detained or HHS sites that it rapidly opened under pressure. The Carrizo Springs facility was established in 2019 during the Trump administration and re-opened in February.

    Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who is leading a separate delegation of GOP senators to the border later this week, decried the lack of press access as a “muzzling” of the media by the Democratic administration.

    “Joe Biden doesn’t want you to see,” Cruz told reporters at the Capitol.





    So, sequence of events:

    1) She was officially put in charge of the issue by President Biden - he delegated it to her - said "when she speaks, she speaks for me".
    2) For a long time, she denied there was a problem at all.
    3) Later, her party tried to bundle some attempted solutions with a bunch of other issues, the Republicans denied that
    4) She and the Dems finally acknowledge there is a problem (after denying just that for years), but now blame it on the Republicans and Trump.
     
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    Chicago has boarded up before for both right-wing and left-wing protests. Most of the protests are issue driven and not really "D" or "R".

    As for George Floyd, I was there - there were a lot of weird groups there. There were poor people from Chicago that just used it as an opportunity to destroy the wealthier areas of town without consequence. There were ANTIFA, that are anti-government and anarchists, they were present for sure. There were some peaceful leftists that were present as well, they left the area when it got violent. There were some right wing people there I saw, but not a lot.

    The violence was mostly instigated by the anarchists - they really were not democratic or republican, because they wanted the government overthrown and anarchy. I guess they can be associated with the left as much as the proud boys are for the right if Biden or leading democrats defended them - but I don't remember that happening.

    Chicago just attracts a lot of radicals - they will plot and plan for many months before protesting and then riots...... but I would point out that there have been protests in Chicago downtown like 2X a month over Palestine for many months and there has been very little violence. They have gone down the street for a few hours marching, put up pro-Palestinian bumper stickers and then leave.

    I do think that the Palestinian protestors at the DNC are going to try to cause a lot of havoc, they have had this planned out for 4 months - however Chicago is really good at handling protests so I do not know how effective they will be.
     
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  6. Nook

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    Again - from your own article.........

    "Harris is tasked with overseeing diplomatic efforts to deal with issues spurring migration in the Northern Triangle countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, as well as pressing them to strengthen enforcement on their own borders, administration officials said. She’s also tasked with developing and implementing a long-term strategy that gets at the root causes of migration from those countries."

    She was in charge of those three countries - and illegal immigration actually fell by over 30% from those three countries. I don't realistically know how much credit she actually deserves for that - but those are the facts.

    The idea that she was in charge of the entire border is factually not true - Homeland Security was, and Harris did not set policy at the US border either - she dealt with those three specific countries.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    You forgot Mexico.

    Not just "those three countries".

    But also the country that, you know, actually has the border with the USA.
     
  8. Nook

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    Hey look - another example of just making up **** and passing it off as true.

    Has anyone started a rumor she has AIDS yet? Someone should get on that one.
     
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    Congrats on posting an article actually confirming Nooks post on what Harris' actual assignment was.
     
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    You mean, like the Vance couch thing?

    Or the story about a hooker urinating on Trump in Moscow?
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    Nope.
     
  12. Nook

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    I didn't forget anything - she was in charge of working with three countries, that is it - and she did that. Illegal immigration from those three nations all fell. Is that because of her? I don't know, it is possible that they would have fallen with someone else doing her job.

    However - she was NEVER in charge of the US/Mexican border. That is controlled by Homeland Security.
     
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    It is what happened. If you bothered to read the article which is why I bolded it for you. Lots of words, not just a tweet.
     
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    Yes, like the "couch thing" or a "hooker urinating on Trump".

    People need to stop making **** up because it helps their political "team".
     
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    incorrect

    go look at the fact check sites

    mexico def. included
     
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    If she would have been just decent as border czar they would be praising her, its hilarious seeing mainstream media and woke people trying to hide her failures. They pretty much lost all shame, they will say anything to win this election. I'm surprised they haven't tried to take away her VP title and say she was never actually really VP..... She is one of the worst if not the worst candidates ever to run for president, she would have never gotten there as a nominee via vote yet all these woke people people are trying to act like she is actually competent....
     
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    You should talk Nook. You spew more garbage on here by anyone not named Sam Fischer or NewRoxfan
     
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    In April 2021, shortly after Mr. Biden’s announcement of her immigration role, Ms. Harris drew a line between her task and that of Secretary Mayorkas.

    “The President has asked Secretary Mayorkas to address what is going on at the border, and he has been working very hard and is showing some progress because of his hard work. I have been asked to lead the issue of addressing the root causes,” she said in response to a reporter’s question. She added that those causes “are not issues that are going to be addressed overnight.”
     

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