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Amen Thompson is the Rockets' REAL franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Os Trigonum, Jun 26, 2023.

  1. hlmbasketball

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    I fixed it for you.
     
  2. daywalker02

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    Fully expect him to be the cover guy of magazines and one of the NBA young faces in the future.

     
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    There is no doubt he will keep shooting. He needs to learn when to quit shooting when he is off. The team is done tanking so they can no longer afford to give Jalen a green light when he is not shooting well.
     
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    That’s not what players do. Players don’t change the style they’re accustomed to their whole life. If you’re a shooter you shoot and coaches from middle school to the pros empower players to shoot. Coaches teach principles in terms of when to shoot which depends on a lot of factors such as what the defense is doing, position of other team mates and likelihood to make a play for them. But also depends on the comfort of the player and where his spots on the floor are. Coaches encourage their players. Again aint nobody told Luka to not shoot and he eventually got better his 3rd year.
     
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    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    Amen had such a weird start. I fully believe in this guy. He's going to be a starter this year one way or another.
     
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    Color on the chart shows frequency, the number shows the percentile. So the players with a lot of green boxes with low numbers in them take a lot of shots they aren't good at. From the chart, Jalen should not be shooting spot up jumpers or in isolation, because he is in the bottom 3rd of the league in those areas
     
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  7. Stephen_A

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    I get your point but that’s oversimplifying the game. That’s not how basketball works. You don’t just not shoot because you aren’t efficient at certain shots. This would mean players should give up on growth and development. We know this isn’t true since many if not most players in the history of the league have evolved with time and improved their shooting. Missing a shot doesn’t mean its a bad shot. Its about principles of the game of knowing where and when to take the shot in situations. Again numbers don’t show that’s a bad shot. It doesn’t show that after coming off a pindown a player is open for a shot or dribble drive. Or coming off a screen the paint is stacked and player is wide open for 15 ft elbow J. Numbers don’t show this. All they show is makes or misses which doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the wrong shot to take or wrong read.
     
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    If guys like Cam and Tari want to take a larger share of the spot ups shure but Jalen Green as a 21-22 year old does high volume decently above average efficiency on probably the play type that requires the most skill for a guard and that's pnr ball handler and that's a large part of his game.

    Green isn't a great spot up guy. He took a sip this year on spot ups vs his second season. A lot of that I'm assuming has to do with giving effort on defense for the first time and draining his legs more. So hopefully he conditions himself out of that. But the dude's best trait is breaking down defenses off the dribble and screen navigation off the dribble along with rim pressure in half court offenses.

    But ya, hopefully he gets better at spot ups with better conditioning while giving effort on D.
     
  9. cml750

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    I promise you your boy Jalen will not have a Green light to keep shooting if he starts off doing it poorly for an extended period yet again. He will be on the bench and gone at the trade deadline or the end of the season. Jalen is no Luka. That is a comical comparison. Luka has more BBIQ in his little finger than Jalen ever will. He does a whole lot more on the floor than just shoot.
     
  10. Stephen_A

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    That’s an ignorant remark as you miss the point once again. Luka shot “poorly” in threes his first two years. The focus of this topic is shooting nothing else. Stick to the topic please. The whole point was about development and growth of players which you and a lot of fans simply do not understand or accept. Before you come to me with your BS and try to pick a fight you should brush up on your basketball knowledge.
     
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    lol, you can go cry in the corner when your boy likely plays his way off the team.
     
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    Another thread about Jalen? Amazing.
     
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    You a Rocket fan?
     
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    He's going to be the primary ball handler once we transition away from Fred. If he can develop a teardrop/push shot/mid range until his 3 comes along (and Reed develops) we'll be in good shape. He's our best rim finisher at the rim by far, just can't have teams playing him too deep and him not being able to punish them for it. I wonder what kind of reps he's going to get early on or if he can potentially be a starter and who he'd replace.
     
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    Just to be clear, both Jalen and Amen are 70% from 0-3 ft from the rim but Amen has 20x the amount of put backs from offensive boards playing the 5.

    So honestly I don't even know how Amen isn't blowing Green out the water given that a large chunk of his at the rim scoring is offensive put backs.

    Amen would have to make some incredible leap as a ball handler also to be a primary lead guard. Jalen at the moment is far closer to that. You can see that in their efficiency and volume on the most utilized and complex play for guards when t comes to ball skills, primary pnr ball handler... Where Green has a lot more volume and is more efficient at those play types. Problem with Amen right now is he stops his dribble too easily in half court sets. He's great at transition when defenders are back peddling but when ik a half court set where a defender stops his initial move he almost always stops his dribble and has to pass out.
     
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    Can he play the 2?
     
  18. Easy

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    Of course it's about Jalen.

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    Yes. I'm starting to embrace annoying people like you.

    You know @MystikArkitect intentionally does bait like say "obviously the best finisher at the rim" thing. I acknowledge his hair and am glad to detail threads based on his hair. And yes it is absolutely bait if you know his recent comment history.

    I really don't have a **** about "stick to discussing about players in their respective "x is a franchise player" threads. That arbitrary rule has nothing to do with civility.

    Don't make me embrace being annoying to you.
     
  20. Easy

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    Dude, the post you replied to (1) wasn't even addressing you, (2) had nothing whatsoever to do with Jalen Green, and (3) was replying to a post that had nothing to do with Jalen Green in a thread that's not about Jalen Green. How was it an intentional bait?

    It was a bait TO YOU because you see Jalen's shadow in every post of every thread.
     

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