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Comparing Recent Summer League Performances

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tuckmose, Jul 20, 2024.

  1. ApacheWarrior

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    Nathan Fogg is the only one that has in the past. But I feel he mostly posts fluff pieces.
    Many here don't want to be negative.......you know me, I don't mind. Haha

    I would show good and bad clips for critic purposes. Highlight things that could use improvement.
     
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  2. Stephen_A

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    But that’s the thing video clips are very useful but if people analyze them improperly or edit them to not show the full action or in a biased way to prove a point this could lead to more arguments lol. We have seen that before on this site. I can see some fans highlighting only good plays from the players they support. I think it’s great to objectively show good and bad. But in the end the proof is in the video and those that understand what they are watching and explain it clearly will always win over those who have no idea what they’re talking about.
     
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  3. MystikArkitect

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    That's the core of the team moving forward. Internally the Rockets probably understand that you're going to have to keep Reed/Jabari/Sengun/Amen/Tari on the roster no matter what. This year is going to determine whether or not one of Jabari/Reed/Amen can score 20+ per game. We are essentially becoming the middle point of the Celtics and Nuggets. The last two title winners.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    What's a stock?
     
  5. astrosrule

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    Blocks plus steals
     
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    Ah. Why are they equally weighted?

    Steals are more common than blocks.
     
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    Someone said somewhere (I think it was @Dr of Dunk) that if you did very well in SL, it doesn't necessarily mean you will make it in the NBA, let alone being a star. But if you didn't do well in SL, it pretty much means that you are not NBA material.

    Something like that.
     
  8. astrosrule

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    It’s just a way to measure playmaking on defense basically
     
  9. Tuckmose

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    If anything, steals are better than blocks alone because they indicate a change of possession. The reputation as a formidable shot blocker also has the effect of forcing more difficult, low percentage, shots out of your opponents. Not all steals and blocks are created equally, but that's a different conversation.

    In short, "Stocks" are used to measure a player's overall disruptiveness on defense, while equalizing for position.

    Hakeem has the most Stocks of all time, with 5,992.
     
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    This is true, a block doesn't even necessarily mean that the person you were trying to guard failed to score on that possession.

    A steal is just a deflection without a change of possession happening.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    How does stocks equate for a player with a high number of steals because they gamble and compromise team defenses often through their gambling?

    Also in terms of statistical frequency blocks are rarer so a cumulative stat of the two would disproportionately favor perimeter players.

    Hakeem being one of the greatest defenders of all time and leading all time in "stocks" is not codependent.

    Seems like a lazy metric.
     
  12. Tuckmose

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    In a 4 game sample size, advanced stats, especially defensive ones, are far too noisy thanks to SSS to mean anything. Only a fool would pull out BPM or WS/48 over summer league to prove anything.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    There is a certain kind of logic behind the biggest fan of one of the worst defensive players in the team who was for the first 2 years of his career one of the worst defensive players in the NBA, arguing that having good defensive metrics is bad actually.
     
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    So would be stocks. Steals for example might be more risky against NBA guards vs summer league guards. Trying to steal from them could be more of a gamble relative to NBA guards. Maybe you get more "you reach you teach" moments in the NBA vs summer league comp
     
  15. ApacheWarrior

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    I couldn't agree more.
     
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    I don't remember if I said exactly that, but I do believe that generally speaking. My opinion is that if you put up big numbers in summer league play, well, great. Now you get to prove it in pre-season as the next step. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you look completely lost in summer league play, we may have issues. But even then it could just be you're on a summer league team full of people who are clueless or just trying to get used to pseudo-NBA speed or maybe you have the jitters. I think people like Trae Young, Tim Duncan, etc. didn't have great debuts in the summer league. I think Steph was shooting bricks in summer league play. I generally try not to put too much emphasis on what happens in the summer league.
     
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    Just a reminder Reed has yet to play one NBA regular season game. Much like Cam this is too early to determine whether a player will be a major contributor or not. What we can do is support and hope for the best while assessing their current strengths and weaknesses
     
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