The GARM has become trash. Who is most responsible?

This is impossible without explicit rules and moderation. The internet follows societal rules, and for the most part people like it because there's more freedom. But the price of this freedom is that people are going to be a-holes since on the internet you can be as mean to people as you want, and not have to face repercussions that doing so in real life would cause.

I also really dislike the way people just speak of "people have different opinions etc. etc." on every subject. I mean this is a forum about basketball so none of this stuff really matters beyond people wasting time on the internet, but just dismissing every opinion as just someone's own biased viewpoint is a fallacy and used way too much in more serious discussions. For instance, if I say Amen Thompson is a bad shooter, and I give you all the stats on his jumpshooting percentage from different areas of the court all showing them to be putrid compared to the standards rate of an average NBA player. And you come back with a youtube clip of Amen swishing a 3 pointer and saying he's actually a good shooter, technically we just have different opinions. But anyone who knows anything about basketball would know only one opinion is said in good faith.

 

A good portion of us have that Switch off button when we want to disengage from an argument or from basketball altogether.

Others just don't.

Basketball arguments should only stay a small hobby of mine, nothing more and nothing less.

Nothing life altering, have fun.

 

The GARM has become completely ignoreable.

All of yall's b.s. is worthless.

 

Nah, some of them have gone mysteriously .... silent.

 

Use the ignore button and enjoy CF again!

 

This is not a real problem happening on the board, though maybe you intentionally meant to exaggerate to make the point.

In real life things are much more grey area than that. What tends to happen very very often here on a daily basis is "Amen's shot chart was bad last couple seasons so that means he will never be a good shooter". The opposing view comes in to say the past is not a linear projection of the future and there are more dominant factors that are much more relevant to whether they a player will improve (such as off court work ethic for example).

Here both are sincere but one of them just has a stupid opinion. The first person doesn't get that if you were formulating an opinion about player improvement, the starting point is not the end of the data, it is just the starting point from where improvement begins.

Then this stupid person doubles down and finds other players who had the same shot chart who didn't improve (to reinforce their case). Now this person thinks they're especially objective and data driven. In reality this person would have to go find a list of players who have the same personality traits as Amen who shot poorly for the same amount of time. But they think that's a marginal part of the equation (off court personality) when in reality that's the dominant factor they are lazily ignoring and the laziness is protecting their ego.

Now you have them asking for your proof even though they have no proof and the majority of the data is subjective. Do I expect Amen to be a hard worker and the coaching staff to be at least average at shooting development and can the player even commit the requisite time this summer and do we need to rebuild the shot from scratch or just work on it? These things will dominate whether or not he'll improve, regardless of where his shot started from.

All this to say: it's more complicated. There are people - including me - who don't understand some part of the analysis. Not knowing is not the issue. The issue is when the ego jumps in to say "I'm sincere and they are not." It's not a sincerity issue imo, it's an insecurity issue.

 

It's kinda sad but reddit is better than clutchfans today

 

Yes but bad according to what standard? Who’s standard? Many cite “league average” as a standard. But there’s several “stars” that don’t meet league average marks. And many times people on here use the term “bad player” not “bad shooter”. Now that opens up a whole new discussion and off topic since the topic is about shooting. And if you think player x is a “bad player” then please present your view logically backed with your observation of his on court performance and your knowledge of what right looks like. In addition metrics help support the premise.

But in most if not all cases people show a small fraction of data and declare player x “sucks”. Well hold on now you didn’t look at all these numbers over here. You didn’t look at the game tape which shows he is consistently doing this. You didn’t analyze the on court actions that happened properly. Player x didn’t blow that coverage it’s because player y came off his man leaving player x to rotate to the shooter late. So the analysis is incomplete and lacking because people don’t do their due diligence making bold claims on players. This is what happens on this site.

 

If you disagree with my opinion you’re a poo poo head. I have friends that agree with me and they are all going to call you a jerk face.

 

If someone expresses what you feel to be an erroneous opinion - it can be dealt with factually... as you said - give the data.... maybe they come back with some advanced analytic to counter your data... maybe there's something like hes a good shooter when wide open - but drops off a cliff when he has a hand in his face or whatever.... who knows - thats why we have these discussions.... lol... but i would say his shooting % is a fact - its hard data - not an opinion.
Perception is reality... if someone believes a fallacy to be true - then they cling to it as tightly as you cling to what you know to be fact.
but if dealing with someone that doesnt want to accept the factual info - and has no sensible counter... walk away - dont feed the trolls... and dont contribute to the degradation of the board by spending 3 pages name calling back n forth with some idiot who's just looking for attention...

and having to prove to an idiot that ur right is another thing all together - it's one thing to be the smartest person in the room - but its quite another to have to make sure everyone else in the room knows it.

 

We had a decent season, escaping the abyss that was the Silas years. We have an exciting future with multiple exciting players who have great potential. And yet, this has unquestionably been the worst offseason on this board in all the years I've been here, which is now more than a quarter of a century. It's the D&Dification of the GARM--what I say must be right and can only be so if I slice your opinion to bits regardless of the facts.

We're a coalition of Rockets fans not fiefdoms defined by which player you like the most. For a start, I think Clutch should lock every "franchise player" thread and limit new threads for a bit. Give us all a timeout and a reset before training camp.

 

I thought the "franchise player" threads were good places for limiting discussions to specific players, and if you don't like it, you don't have to go into it. But what is happening is that the only-player bickering spills out to EVERY thread no matter what the thread title is. Locking all the "franchise player" threads would not make any difference. Besides, they will just invent new words. We already see "REAL franchise player" and "numero uno" etc. I wouldn't be surprised if things like "Head Honcho" "Bid Dick" "the Dude" etc. emerged.

 

Jalen believers

 

I think posters like the one you replied to are lacking in self awareness.

 

Clutch.
(& a couple of KPJ maniacs.)

 

All your bases belong to Clutch and Clutchfans.

 

Man . . . .. This thread came early this year

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