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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. Easy

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    Both Fred and Jabari are good shooters. In a way, Sengun is a good "shooter" too, at his range.
     
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    Imo, Jabari is merely average. As for Sengun, I mean a guy who stretches the defense which Sengun clearly is not.
     
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    Jabari improved from 31% to 36%. 36% is still just average, but I have confidence that he can shoot better than that. He has been a good shooter since high school. There's no reason to think he can't get close to 40%.

    I think the main problem with Jabari is his mental aspect. If he is relaxed and confident and let his instinct take over, he shoots at a very high level. If he tightens up, thinks too much, he does poorly. Hopefully he will overcome the mental block.

    Another thing about Jabari is that he needs his teammates to get him going. This is why I blame part of it to coaching. We knew Silas said that they didn't run plays for Jabari. I have not heard from Udoka what he was doing to get Jabari's shots going. I suspect that it's not the priority for them. That's a shame. And because one of our main creators Jalen is not particularly adept at kicking out to the open 3pt shooter, Jabari is somewhat starving. I hope Amen will replace Brooks in the starting lineup. Even though Amen can't shoot, he is a much better driver-passer. That may create more open shots for both Jabari and Fred.
     
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    If Jabari become a good (above average) shooter, I will be as happy as anyone about it. Hope it happens. But until he does, average describes him best for now.
     
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    At the NBA level, the person with the biggest responsibility for for getting players optimal shots are the playmakers. This is why shots were a lot better quality in Phoenix for Monty Williams than in Detroit.
     
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    Average is probably fair for Jabari, he shot the 3 at ever so slightly above average for an NBA PF and his TS% was ever so slightly below average for an NBA PF.
     
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    Another stat that points to a mental aspect is his quarter by quarter stats. He shoots over 40% from 3pt in 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters and 24% in the 4th. There is no way this can be explained by random chance.
     
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    Jabari is a very awkward and stiff player when he asked to put the ball on the ground, especially when he has to navigate the floor and make quick decisions while dribbling. His shot diet is pretty much reliant on what the system can produce for him, or just getting some putbacks from loose rebounds. If he can actually improve his footwork in the post, he would not be starved as much, because most of the time he can't abuse smaller players on switches.
     
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    It can be explained with the first law of thermodynamics.

    Finite energy. Tired legs.


    A common misconception about young players is they have more "energy" than veterans. Young players are less prone to injury and soreness. Young players are not as conditioned as vets. They don't have multiple seasons of playing NBA games to condition themselves. This is something Jabari will naturally improve on as he gets more conditioned.
     
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    just checked same with other rockets players
     
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    With that line of thought maybe we should hold out Sengun on Saturday games since that is his worst shooting night of the week. Makes sense. o_O
     
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    I looked at green for example. He is 30 30 39 25. His drop is more within reasonable range. And he is not that consistent.

    Jabari being very consistent through 3 quarters , and a huge drop in the 4th seems to be something beyond 4th quarter fatigue. On the positive side this says he is the very good shooter he promised to be. I am sure he will improve.
     
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    Sengun's a terrible shooter. Let's get that established
     
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    Yeah, that IMO is also a mental thing. He can punish smaller players in a mismatch. He just doesn't have the confidence to do it. He should practice with Fred. Let Fred guard him in the post and practice doing a 10-foot turnaround.
     
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    Check out Alpi
     
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    This is demonstrably untrue though. He shot 53% from the field with a 58% TS% That's a decent shooter, he's just not a long-range shooter or a great shooter. When he sticks to his spots he's a more than competent shooter. If he can add another 3-5 ft of effective range to his midrange game he doesn't even really need to shoot the 3 that often.
     
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    Alpi has fg% and 3pt%
    48.5 and 20.7 in 1st quarter
    57.7 and 39.4 in 2nd
    56.3 and 33.3 in 3rd
    52.1 and 15.4 in 4th

    There is a drop in 3pt in the 4th but he took less than 1 3pt in 3 games. The sample size with the 3pt shots are very small. his fg% is very consistent.

    Edit: also alpi is a bad 3pt shooter. More variance is expected anyway.
     
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    I actually don't even know why Alpi's 3pt% is even relevant at this point because it's not that much of a factor in his game. I'm well more focused on how he improves as a FT shooter going forward, a prolific paint/post scorer is going to spend more time at the line. If he can get that FT% to a respectable rate whilst adding a little more range to his mid-range to stretch the D slighty, we're good. We don't need everybody to just shoot 3's, leave that **** in the Morey era.
     
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    No his 3pt shot is atrocious which causes spacing problems. Shots around the basket don't make him a good shooter
     
  20. Dobbizzle

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    He shoots well from the midrange too. Not everybody has to be a 3pt shooter, your take is ridiculous. By your standards, Michael Jordan wasn't a good shooter. That's how ridiculous your take is.
     

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