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2024 Hypothetical Astros Trades Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Snake Diggit, Apr 23, 2024.

  1. IdStrosfan

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    Bloss and Arrighetti both are likely to be good MLB pitchers but they need to be in AAA developing.

    I agree Anderson would be a much needed improvement.

    It would just totally suck if he was the addition instead of someone good.

    To continue on my metaphor.

    In 2011 I bought my 17 year old son a Camaro.

    He was crazy happy even after he realized it had a 6 cylinder. But he sure felt and heard the difference every time he drove it.

    But it got him to school and work.

    Edit: the rest of the season is the drive to school and work. The postseason is the weekend drag races the kids stage out on the country roads adults don't know about.
     
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  2. Wulaw Horn

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    That's what was beyond obvious that we should do with holes in the lineup at the two easiest offensive positions to fix.
     
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  3. Yordan The Great

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    I mean if you demand a strikeout artist who's wildly inconsistent, then just stick with Arighetti.

    Look how far Jordan Montgomery took the Rangers last year.

    You people look at certain metrics way too longingly.
     
  4. Deuce Rings

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    Get some?….
     
  5. the shark

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    Not going to disagree with you about Bloss and Arrighetti but the reality of the situation is they're not in AAA because of the injuries to the rotation.

    Throw in Blanco and Brown needing to have their innings monitored down the stretch and them hoping to get to the point where they could go to a six man rotation so these guys don't wear down. So yes there's better options but if they go to other teams (or not traded) you'd snub your nose at a guy that gives us exactly what we desperately need (an innings eater) who also has numerous quality starts against playoff caliber offenses and isn't going to be overwhelmed by the pressure down the stretch and more then likely won't wet the bed? Plus he's signed for a reasonable 13.5 next yr?

    Beggars can't be choosers.
     
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  7. SuraGotMadHops

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    This bothers me to no end, and let me explain why...

    Rangers signed Lorenzen in the offseason as a depth move. Astros made zero SP depth moves even though they knew 1) Lance and Garcia were recovering from surgeries, returns unknown; 2) JV is one year older; 3) Framber and Javier looked gassed by the end of the season; 4) at least one or two guys that start the season healthy won't end the season healthy.

    Now, the Rangers are starting to get back healthy pitchers, and they are able to unload a guy they picked up for cheap from a position of surplus. We on the other hand, are in desperation mode to find somebody just to complete a normal rotation.

    Last trade deadline JV kind of fell in our lap, but other than that Dana Brown just picked his ass. Meanwhile the Rangers made difference making trades with pieces they ended up beating us with (Montgomery, Chapman, Scherzer). I wanted to sign Eovaldi before last season too, another move that it a pain in our ass now.
     
  8. Wulaw Horn

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    Ok. We also have 6 starters on the IL right now- you just can't gameplan around that I'm sorry.
    Garcia, LMJ (both expected to be back by now) JV, Urquidy, Javier (none of whom were hurt in spring training), France- he sucked this year but it's likely the shoulder problem all the way down the line that caused that suckage this year. It's an unreasonable amount of injuries the Astros have had- and nobody is going to sign quality veteran guys to be the 10th option for the organization- and if you want to have vitality in your organization you have to have an avenue for the kids to pitch or play their way onto the team somewhere.
     
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    If Urquidy, Javier and France were all healthy at the moment we perhaps could use Arighetti and France and Urquidy and land some big time, eh?
     
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  11. Wulaw Horn

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    Probably. And you don’t need all of them healthy that’s the thing. Just one.
     
  12. SuraGotMadHops

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    I don't agree with this, if there was indeed a surplus we could've traded from that surplus, but everyone knows how rare that actually is when it comes to starting pitching. Even if we assume JV, France, Javier, and Urquidy were all healthy to start the year. France may not have performed his way unto the major league roster, Arrighetti and Bloss would be in AAA getting the seasoning they still need (they are pitching by necessity, not natural promotion), Blanco could be in the swing man role like how Javier was before last season. JV, Framber, Javier, Brown, Lorenzen, Blanco as a 6th starter or swing man. If McCullers or Garcia come back, adjust/trade as needed.

    Play things out as they actually did, and we'd have Lorenzen instead of Bloss or Arrighetti, or extend the rotation to 6 man which would give Blanco and Arrighetti especially a break in their innings.

    Sorry but Brown and co. have screwed the pooch on starting pitching two seasons in a row.
     
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    Quite a few people on here suggested Lorenzen as well.
     
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  14. IdStrosfan

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    Now, Seattle getting Turner is the trade that doesn't move the needle.

    Nothing wrong with adding a 110 type hitter with postseason success, but it shouldn't scare the Astros or their fans.

    This is the position player equivalent of Astros adding Tyler Anderson
     
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    This is maddening.
     
  16. Snake Diggit

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    It’s like this every year. 75% of Houston’s big trades over the last 10 years happen within a few hours of the deadline. Just enjoy the speculation and chill for the news.
     
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  17. Yordan The Great

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    8 of his 21 starts have been either 7 or 8 innings. 11 of his 21 starts he's gone into the 7th. He gives you length.

    17 of his 21 starts have been 3 runs or fewer. Only 1 start was more than 4 runs given up. He's kept his team in every one of his 21 starts.

    I know you hate Anderson but you're sounding quite foolish at this point.
     
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  18. Hey Now!

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    He has a 4.34 FIP and doesn’t miss many bats. If all healthy, he would not garner a postseason spot ahead of Framber, JV or Brown. Likely not Blanco and possibly not Arrighetti, either - both have much better K rates.

    Tyler Anderson would be a nice arm to help the Astros through the regular season; I’m not sure he would throw meaningful innings in the postseason.
     
  19. IdStrosfan

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    I don't HATE any player.
    edit: that's not true, but I don't hate any of the players on the Astros or being discussed joining the Astros. Fiers, Joe Kelly, very few others

    1) past performance is not proof of future performance.

    2) pitching in an environment with mo expectations of winning is different than expecting and needing to win.

    3) the number of innings he pitches is strictly determined by the manager and organization.

    4) The underlying numbers say he is having a great season despite his skill level, not because of his skill level.

    I don't care how Anderson has done this year. I care how he will do if he puts on an Astros jersey and all the numbers say his next start should be the one where he doesn't get out if the 4th inning and gives up 7 runs.

    Because of this, he is at the bottom of SP that I hope the Astros get. But he's on the list.

    And it has nothing to do with me hating him.
     
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