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Trade deadline needs and watch party

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by IdStrosfan, Jul 4, 2024.

  1. Castian Crew

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    You missed the point of that statement as it was in addition to (something that was noticed and not part of the original argument). It's interesting that 9 hits in an innings leads to more runs than 4 HRs hit in an inning without anyone else on base. That was not meant to prove an argument (which was already stated by me).

    Again, you seem to be battling something that's not there for your own amusement, which I'm happy from this point on to allow you to continue doing. This started with "Don't discount BA". But it's a slow news day for the Astros so can understand your willingness to stretch things out a bit. Enjoy the trade deadline. Should be an interesting one.
     
  2. RKREBORN

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    I don't understand why Dana goes out there and starts telling everyone what we are trying to do. Lunhow, even Click, never let anything leak, and kept their mouths shut until the deal was done. Feels like Dana wants everyone to know he's trying to be good at his job, but not buying it.
     
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  3. Hey Now!

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    No; I’ve illustrated why batting average is a meaningless statistic & generally ignored by most of MLB: it formula equates singles as having the same value as home runs.

    Batting average would tell us that a hittter than goes 1/1 with a single has the same value as a hitter that goes 1/1 with a double.

    Yes, Álvarez is more valuable because he actually gets on base *more* than Kwan despite his batting average being ~40 points less.
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    Arguing 9 hits is better than 4 hits has nothing to do with batting average being useful.

    No. You argued it had value and then described the value of on-base percentage as your counter.

    If a hitter hits .300, they’re probably a good hitter. But you can absolutely carry a .240 BA and still be an extremely valuable hitter if you hit for power and draw walks.
     
  5. leroy

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    You’re right. I don’t know baseball at all. Only been watching and following since 1980.

    My opinion is that they are not any better today than they were yesterday. Arozarena is a good player but he’s not a franchise changing player. If the Astros do nothing, and the m’s do nothing else, we still win the division easily.
     
  6. The Beard

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    So only franchise changing players make you better?

    Um, ok
     
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  7. raining threes

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    Depends on if the .240 hitter can hit in the clutch and postseason.
     
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  8. IdStrosfan

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    You didn't say "franchise changing" you said "doesn't move the needle"

    Those are completely different things.

    Since June 1st there are 165 hitters with enough PA's to be qualified (3.1 PAs/G).

    Arozerana is 19th w/ a wRC+ of 161. That's nearly 2 months so it isn't a small sample size.

    His career wRC+ is 125. 25% better than average.

    In the past 50 years, 319 hitters have at least 100 postseason PAs. Arozerana is the best w/ a 199 wRC+. Yordan is 12th, Altuve is 46th.

    Make no mistake - adding Arozerana is huge for Seattle.

    And there is no way anyone can honestly say that does not move the needle.
     
  9. Radricky

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    Back off b****es
     
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  10. havoc1

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    Sorry to jump in on y’all’s back and forth but I have thought about this for a while and want to see what you think. Would you agree that batting average by itself isn’t a great measure of a hitter’s effectiveness, but if players have the same obp then the player with the higher ba is the more valuable hitter?

    My reasoning being that a walk won’t drive in a run in most situations, while a single can. I just feel like sometimes ba gets treated as irrelevant when I think it is more nuanced than that.
     
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  11. Radricky

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    Are there any starters we are targeting that could take bloss or arrighettis next spot in the rotation?
     
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    Hits do create objectively more value moving baserunners, so nobody can or should argue that if 2 guys have the same OBP, in a complete stat vaccum, the guy with the higher BA is slightly more valuable.

    However BA is way down on the list of measuring a players value....way, way down. If 2 guys had the same OBP there are maybe a dozen other % stats that I would use to break the tie before getting to BA.
     
  13. raining threes

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    IYO

    Hits drive in runs, walks rarely do and I'm a believer in OBP.
     
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  14. sealclubber1016

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    One of the most valuable stats, that isn't even a stat that I know of, is % of PA that don't result in an out. IMO errors should count towards OBP.
     
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  15. sealclubber1016

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    Gotta be on base first to score.
     
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    Unless Arozarena's change of scenary magically changes his season around, he's headed for a sub 60 RBI season.

    I'm not buying he's moving the needle for Seattle.

    He looks just like most of the hitters they have in their lineup. Mitch Haniger almost has as many RBIs as him with 70 fewer ABs.
     
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  17. raining threes

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    Which is why I believe in OBP. However hits are more valuable because they drive in runs.
     
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    I know some will say the '20 Dodgers, but last years Rangers was by far the fakest/worst WS champion since the Royals, and that's probably being unfair to the Royals. Won off the back of a rental SP who himself was largely just a flash in the pan.
     
  19. the shark

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    I despise The Rangers but a "fake" and "worst" WS??? It wasn't in a shortened season (or covid). They beat us. I'll take as many "fakest/worst" World Series as we can win.
     
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    He's not going to make a big difference for Seattle. Lol.
     

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