What does this mean? Many people say he's inconsistent. He needs to show more consistency next season to stay on this team etc... including myself. Why don't I criticise them and I do for others like you? What's the difference. This is going to require some introspection on your part and be inward rather than outward.
Right now would you do it? Green and Suns picks back for Booker. Cuz if he does all those things you are mentioning why would Phoenix take him a trade? His value will get significantly lower.
We have all their picks. We can match salary too. Brooks Green and their picks back make a lot of sense for Booker if the suns start off slow. Don't see them contending in the west. Their team is to flawed.
No. Because Green is 22 and Booker is 28. A 22 year old who has promised but has had a slow trajectory along with draft capital means you can potentially build a new core with a new rebuild. If they don't see themselves being able to retool after Durant and Beal around Booker to create a contender, they can still see it as a worthwhile trade on their side. But it will take all the draft capital we own.of the Suns.
Trading one of the most inefficient shooting guards in the league for one of the most efficient shooting guards and Top 15 player in the league? This trade would put the Rockets in the Top 4 in the West easily.
You have too low of a opinion of Green to make any trade worthwhile. You understand that right? Your perception of Green means it would mean our only option is to waive him. So you don't really have anything to add here. Just repeat "we should waive him" every time you enter these discussions because they is basically the end result of your rhetoric about Jalen
True, and they'd look at Jalen as an expiring contract, but I don't think they'd want Brooks because then they'd be stuck with him.
They would ask for Amen, Sengun, Probably Reed before ever trying to take on Green. Green is not a positive asset because his contract is coming up and it's very difficult to find a fair price. Suns already made a huge mistake with Aytons contract, I doubt they gonna repeat that mistake with Green
Jim somehow finds and shares every negative instagram post, tweet, graph, stat and article on the planet about Jalen Green and he wants to convince us he's not a hater. He doesn't believe anything good Udoka says about Jalen. He believes every single negative thing Udoka has said about Jalen. I will say though, there are tiers. Tier 1: BTG, NewAge and DaDakota are Tier 1 bonafide haters obviously, I doubt even they would disagree. Tier 2: Jim is a Tier 2 guy and this tier features guys like apollo33, rhu525, Mystikarchitect. These are the guys who spam us with debunked or subjective arguments as though they're facts. They do it as a high proportion of their posts. There is no Jalen Green trade ever presented that they didn't like. But they're not haters you know lol. Tier 3: Then in Tier 3 it's no longer haters, it's just anxious guys who don't want to admit all they're doing is trying to clear minutes for their favorite player that hasn't proved they deserve it yet (some Cam/Reed/Amen fans). This comes off as hating, but it's actually just a little dorky and awkward. Harmless.
All of those guys would be out of the question, also... the ONLY reason Jalen Green isn't a massively negative asset is because he has some value as an expiring contract, if he was signed for 3 more seasons it would be literally impossible to move him anywhere.
I have a couple of questions and l will answer yours. How many times a day should one check to see if a person is human? Yes, his draft scouting report from the internet as well as my eyes see similarities with Zach Lavine. Even if you don’t like the comparison between them it would make a difference in the market for Green. Let us use the off guard position of inconsistently GREAT players that are not fully developed who received the max. There is not many to choose from because such players normally are not max players. Bradly Beal is as close as I can come up with. (The Pistons would not sign him for the max) His contract is killing the Suns at the moment. The league sees it and that is why we traded for their draft picks. The Suns have buried themselves. Why would we do this to ourselves?
I would certainly dispute that, saying I'm a "hater" implies several inaccurate things. 1. That there's some level of emotion or investment tied to my opinion about the player. 2. That there's a level of irrationality when it comes to my opinion of the player. 3. That there's something inaccurate about what I'm saying about the player. None of those are the case. I dislike Jalen's game for the same reason I dislike the game of any other mindless chucker. If Jalen turned into a quality player, my opinion would change.
Hate to me is a personal attribute. I would only say someone hated another when they mean they hate the person and everything about them. I don't hate Jalen as a person at all. I don't care how he dresses, if he paints his nails or how many babies or wives he has. All that is just irrelevant to me. What I don't like is Jalen as a player. Perhaps why you and I and some others butt heads so much is pure semantics. Perhaps I would go so far as to say I hate Jalen's game. But I take exception to the blanket statement that I hate Jalen Green because the way I use the term, I definitely do not.
I mean right off the bat, Beal makes 31% more than Green would make. Beal is $50m and he’ll give you 50-60 games if you’re lucky. Green is $35m and he’ll play 70-82 games. The difference between their salaries is more than the whole NT-MLE. Further, it’s a silly argument you’re making. You extend players because they deserve it. Has nothing to do with that time the Wizards did something stupid. There are players signed for $50m who are worth it. In fact, most of them are worth it. The most important difference between Green and Lavine is that when Lavine was first asked to play defense he started hating the coach (Boylen at the time) whereas Green’s first words to Udoka were: whatever it takes to win, I’ll do it.
We don’t know Jalen Green personally - even though as fans we sometimes imagine we know them - so it’s not possible to hate his personality and identity in the way you’re describing. That’s not what people mean when they say hater. The term hater is not about WHAT you hate, it’s about HOW you hate. It’s the act of hating as a recurring pattern and it never satisfies the hater even though nothing has changed (e.g. season ended). Nothing has to be wrong for a hater to pull out a microscope or telescope and find something somewhere to hate. The microscopes and telescopes also give them the tunnel vision they require to ignore voices of reason - for example the usually cynical Head Coach of our team being optimistic about Jalen Green. The hater has to bury this. “Coaches say nice things out of courtesy or they’re being strategic”. See what they do? They know that the coach is usually cynical, they delete the detail from their brain and proceed to start a totally disingenuous tangential debate about whether coaches lie or tell the truth. It’s really not hate-worthy unless we provided Green everything a franchise owes a top pick. Good culture, good coach, winning environment, accountability from day 1. No team failed at these 4 things as badly as the Rockets - even the other worst teams in the NBA. All his NBA coaches have said he works hard and cares about improving. Even if he fails, what are you hating exactly? A guy who wears Rockets red tried his best in a bad situation and it didn’t work out, that’s hate-worthy? The thing you don’t realize is it’s all one thing only. You hate Jalen Green’s shot selection because it’s dragging down his and our efficiency. That’s it. There’s nothing else to hate. He improved his defense rapidly. Willing to share the ball. Those are the big ticket items in basketball. You actually just hate his shot selection. But something is making you feel like it’s a lot of things. If you're saying you hate his style of play regardless of whether he's efficient or not, I can't help you there. I've rarely seen a more exciting player on the court.
You keep the Jalen hope alive and I commend you for that. Jalen has value in the same way that Bradley Beal and Zach Lavine did. Hell...Christian Wood was traded to excited Mavericks fans and subsequently excited Lakers fans who thought he could be fixed. That he was just in the wrong situation. That their coaching staff was going to get through to him. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Jalen has trade value in the same way a young Lavine or Beal did. I'm not of the opinion that Jalen won't become something. I wanted Jalen Green on the team. But sometimes the team fleshes out in a different direction and he no longer fits. There are teams that are willing to take a chance on a talent like him and we should explore that. Jalen should as well. He's worth more than 2 FRPs because players that can score like him are still rare. The issue is consistency and the Rockets are no longer in a position to "wait and see" with him. He needs more time. The Rockets no longer have that time. Whether he figures it out or not is irrelevant. The time has passed and we aren't in trial and error mode anymore. You're quick to call anyone who no longer believes in Green a "hater" and that we all want him waived or traded for peanuts. Nah....you've made up your mind already. Even if he starts another season like every other season before you'll find a way to blame the coaching staff, or the other players, or some other circumstance. It's ok to call a spade a spade. Right now I have issues with Jalen the player and Jalen the person. Seems like he cares more about being a celebrity than being a basketball player. If you can't see that then just go look at his shot chart. But I'm fairly certain you'll find a way to misconstrue that as well. I want to get something for him while we still can.
That's false, I don't want Jalen traded because he doesn't have a market and I don't want to attach picks to get rid of him. The best case scenario I see is to sign Jalen to a KPJ like contract where he's only guranteed for 2 seasons. If he proves himself, great for everyone, if not it will be very easy to get rid of him. Either that or let him test RFA, if he really replicates his March performance this year we can match whatever offer is out there.
You missed a tier: Tier 4: People who were slightly positive to at worst completely neutral about Jalen until last years extended putrid play to start the season pushed them over the edge to be full blown "Jaters". This group became very vocal as his bad performances stacked one on another. His post ASB streak has for the most part earned him the chance to prove himself to start next season to this group of people but they will have very little patience if he starts off bad again.
