I don’t like putting Arrighetti in there We are on fumes pitching wise already, and yea JV Garci JV Garcia JV Garcia At this point if we get anything from either of them it’s a bonus It’s not that Arrighetti is necessarily ready for what he is doing right now, but he is the best option we have And to give that up for a hitter and now we HAVE to go get a starter to replace him, and we lose even more prospect capital doing that. And still have to use Bloss I’ll be shocked if Arrighetti is dealt in a trade that isn’t for pitching
I would follow this up trying to trade for Flaherty and if that didn't workout, then I would try to trade for a Sears level pitcher. The Cubs are sellers and if they make Steele available I would give up a lot to get him. What would you think about a trade for Taillon in addition to a deal for Arozarena. I'm thinking JV makes it back in the next couple of weeks.
Oh following up that trade by making a move for Flaherty would be great. But if you already gave up Arrighetti, Melton, Gordon for Aroz, who are you giving for Flaherty? Steele is controlled cheaply for the next 3 years, we don't have a prospect package that would get him. If he was even remotely available, a team like Baltimore could blow us out of the water with an offer for him and they could do it without any problems. Taillon has been really good this year, was pretty bad last year, was pretty good the year before. So yea, i'd take him, but at what prospect cost PLUS $36 million dollars after this year Personally, i'd prefer we put that initial package you offered for Aroz into a package for a starter As for my thinking on JV making it back? I have NO CLUE when or if he will make it back because I have NO CLUE what his actual injury is. I mean all we have heard is "neck discomfort"....uh, ok Dana
The other thing here is this We are one of many teams that will be after SP, and there are not many solid SP's available and almost no front of the rotation types. The best SP likely to be moved is Flaherty. Because he is likely the best one to be moved, a deal will have to start with a middle to back end top 100 type. Melton is the only one of those we have. I mean sure, some may consider Baez or Matthews that, but Matthews ain't being moved, as discussed before he is Dana's first first, and is looking legit. He aint' being moved, and if we were shocked and he was moved, it definitely woulnd't be for a rental So we move our 4th starter and top prospect for Aroz, then we would have to start a deal for Flaherty with Baez and reality is, several other teams would be able to start an offer for Flaherty with a prospect who is thought of as solidly better than Baez. So how much are you willing to add to that. A key to all of this is likely to be how other organizations view Pedro Leon and Chas. Chas has been awful this year but reality is it's 162 at bats and a large number of them have been very sporadic. He is also a guy with about a thousand at bats of an OPS approaching 800 before this year and is very cheaply controlled for two more years. I'm not saying he has the trade value of a top 100 guy, but he has more trade value than most on this board give him that's for sure. Leon is a tougher case cause he is older for a AAA prospect, and for whatever reason, especially after reading what was put out there yesterday, the current Astros front office doesn't seem to like him a whole lot. I think he was a Click signing (not 100% on that) so maybe Toronto would have some interest. Pedro Leon and Chas for Kikuchi and Yimi? That's probably a gamble for each team. Chas could easily gain regular playing time and be way more valuable over the next couple of years than anything Kikuchi and Yimi could bring us short of playing significant roles on another Championship team. But from Toronto's standpoint if they sold those two off separately and without an MLB player in return, they could get multiple prospects as well thought of as Leon
And for anyone wanting to trade Arrighetti for something other than a SP, I hope you are watching the game right now cause Bloss isn't ready. He may very well end up a great MLB SP, but it's fairly obvious that he isn't ready, and the minute we trade Arrighetti for something other than an SP, Bloss becomes our #4
Others on here could speak way more to how ready those guys may or may not be right now than me But obviously Dana thinks Bloss is ahead of them and we see what we are getting from him. Gordon and Blubaugh are allowing almost a baserunner and a half at AAA, Ullola has an ERA approaching 5 at AA, so while all three may end up being good pitchers for us, my guess is none of them are ready to help guide us to the playoffs I also think because of our good run before the ASB and the suckage of Seattle that everyone has gone back to just assuming we will be in the playoffs. We have let Texas back in it, and while Seattle is getting hammered yet again tonight we are far from guaranteed a playoff spot, especially if we keep going through the rotation and only 3 of 5 starters are really ready to compete at the MLB level
It will be impossible to win every game Framber, Blanco, and Hunter pitch. At this rate we will need to win every single one. Worried about Blanco imploding? I am. We need two starters at the deadline. One starter helps, but not much. JV? I’ll believe it when I see it. Same for Garcia. We need starters. Overpay for them.
Not at all. None of them are Brown draftees. Melton is #1 Gordon is #8 and Arrighetti has graduated. Still 28 of top 30 including 6 of top 7.
I think Brown is "happy" to move Click or Luhnow players as he is invested and has confidence in his guys. Right now the majority of the top 30 prospects are Click guys. I would be Brown thinks "his" guys are better and can replace the majority of them.
Astros get: 1B Ryan Mountcastle Orioles get: RP Rafael Montero P Forrest Whitley $3M (2024) $2M (2025)
Whitley has no trade value The 5 million would help offset the negative money on Montero, but if you offered someone that 5 million to take Montero would they? Even if the answer is yes, that leaves Whitley for Mountcastle and Baltimore is way smarter than that
Mountcastle is not very valuable. He’s a solidly above average bat who is limited to 1B. He’s already in arbitration. He’s the type of player who is potentially non-tendered before his final arb year. Whitley is a 26 year old reliever who sits 98-99 on his FB and is having success in AAA. Don’t let the fact that he didn’t pan out relative to being the #1 pitching prospect in the league cloud over what he really is: a very high ceiling young arm with injury and attitude questions. He doesn’t have a ton of value, but he has some.
This team needs a healthy Tucker and Verlander (Garcia and/or McCullers woukd be good too) and a splash move like Verlander a la 17 or Grienke a la 19. Announce to the league that they are coming for the Series title. Rogers was the best player in the JV deal, Rojas was the best of the Grienke deal. Both were the lowest rated. Prospects are just prospects until they prove it and holding them should not be the reason to not improve.
Lottery Ticket trade value to a team who can keep him on the roster I'd like to see him in the Stros' pen a few times before we ditch him.
