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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. kpdark

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    Guys I want you to see what poor media literacy looks like.


    Read the article they link. Now read what the article sources.

    The article's entire commentary is sourced front this article posted yesterday:

    https://clutchpoints.com/lauri-markkanen-trade-talks-reed-sheppard-dominance-nba-summer-league


    Read through the primary source I just linked.

    Notice something? It's literally a dude just expressing the rumor stories we've all heard before in the past 5 months such as the Bridges trade rumors.

    Again, this article might as well by a comment by some random clitchfans user.

    The author of the SI article shows the hand of the quality of these bloggers. This dude thought he quoted some new news. That's sad. He gets paid for this. The fact that this guy's says "reportedly" in his title is really sad.


    This is why Donald Trump might win this election.
     
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    I won't be surprised if they trade Green eventually. I will be surprised if they do it before the season starts, unless the return is a bona fide star player. They'll have to let him play a month or two to prove himself.
     
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    I'm also thinking Jalen gets traded this year. I just don't see how he suddenly changes from the guy he's always been into an Ime Udoka player. He basically has to reinvent himself and nothing about Jalen screams the ability to do that. Jalen is going to want to "prove" himself this year and he'll either play within the system and become hyper efficient or do his "shoot from the hip" thing he does and get benched repeatedly like last year. He isn't going to have the ball in his hands like he did last year. The team will run through Sengun, Fred or Amen. Adults capable of making smart decisions. He's going to have to get set up by them and make shots at a high clip or Cam/Reed are going to do that instead.

    Play time is over and that's where Jalen has always buttered his bread.
     
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    What is the system?

    Was Green going against the wishes of coaches when he rand 10 pnr possessions per game?

    Was the coaching staff wrong for making Amen into essentially a power forward on offense to play off of Jalen?

    Like be specific.
     
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    Let me tell you something about "smart decisions".

    It's much easier to make "the smart decision" when Amen's job is to set a screen and have defenders bltiz the more talented offensive player in Jalen and have this open runway in a short roll to make decions. Decision making is on easy mode then. Landale is capable of being a great passer from this position also. Should we have Landale be one of our creators that Green plays off of?

    How does Amen make decisions when he has to maintain a live dribble against POA half court set defenses with multiple defenders trying to strip him when navigating screens and slithering around multiple defenders? Decision making takes on a different difficulty setting then because now you have to concentrate on protecting the ball and not getting it stripped in traffic while maintaining a live dribble AND analyzing where your teammates are.
     
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    the source is Clutchpoints btw not SI
     
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    It always amazes me how Jalen's a bust yet has more big plays/moments/games/highlights than future superstar Amen Thompson, "top 5 talent" Alperen Sengun and all the rest of our players. Hell, he has more in a typical single season than most of them have in their career combined. Pretty lazy of them to never actually display their superior superstar qualities.
     
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    Minutes on the court matter when you count all the big moments of the guys you are comparing.

    Amen 1,388 minutes
    Sengun 5,733 minutes
    Green 7,335 minutes
     
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    Was that supposed to prove anything? It still makes them look bad.

    7335/37 = Superstar performance every 198 minutes.
    5773/10 = Superstar performance every 577 minutes. It takes Sengun over double the amount of minutes to put up a superstar performance.

    Amen's never had one so we can't do it.
     
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    What is a “superstar performance”?
     
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    Would you say it's a reasonable take that Jalen green had the most high-level 15 game stretch for a rocket since prime James Harden?

    I would Green had a stretch 10-15 games where he played like a top 5 player. That ster h for an entire season could legitimately win a MVP.
     
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    Yes, but irrelevant to the point I was trying to make with my question to his post.

    I imagine his definition of “superstar performance” was arbitrarily decided and his simple math to decide minutes per “superstar performance” is pretty flimsy.
     
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    That's not far off from my own opinion.

    I'm just not sure that any of those recent big money signings are just that, a #2 or so on a contender.

    Maybe I'm penalizing Cade for being on such a crappy team, man they are bad, and he hasn't been able to carry them beyond bad on his own.

    With the new apron rules, you really can't afford to make a mistake on a max contract, or you piss away a half a decade.

    Denver might be a better example as they were below the 2nd apron this year while Boston was a bit above and will be again the coming season - they can't sustain that level of spending and have added a 35% Supermax in place of one of those ~25% deals. Something's got to give there.

    My point is pretty simple, with the new cap issues in place severely penalizing big spenders, you can't afford to make mistakes when handing out big money contracts - These guys have to be top tier players or you saddle yourself with a contract that handcuffs you for half a decade because other teams aren't going to want to help you get out of it - this might actually help small market teams long term.
     
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    Seems like a lot of teams, fans and players haven't caught up to the reality of the new apron rules. The days of handing out undeserved max contracts are numbered. The teams that make good decisions right now in regards to contracts will be a step ahead of those teams that don't in the very near future.

    The very definition of what a max player is, is in transition. I just hope the Rockets FO is wide awake on this matter.
     
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    Since we are on the subject of the Nuggets and everyone likes to compare Sengun to Jokic, let's pretend the Rockets had the same as Denver in 2019-202. That was Jamal Murray's 4th season. Suppose Jalen Green has a Jamal Murray 4th season next year (18/3/5 on .559 TS%) and Sengun has Jokic season of that same year (20/9/7 on .605 TS%). Jabari looks like Jeremi Grant. Sheppard looks like a young MPJ. The Rockets finish with 51 wins (Nuggets had 46 wins that year but shortened season so it was a 51 win pace). It's all good vibes and all. Do you max out Jalen Green or do you let him walk to another team in RFA for nothing?

    I am certain all 30 teams' front offices given such a situation will max out Jalen. Even with the new 2nd apron.
     
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    Has anyone ever used total minutes in a genuine way or only when they're trying to paint a specific picture?

    31.7 MPG for Jalen to 32.5 MPG for Sengun.

    Even funnier is comparing him to Amen who is a rookie.
     
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    I was responding to him comparing how many great moments Jalen's had on the court compared to Amen, Sengun, or anyone else. When you have thousands of more minutes on the court it makes a difference. Sure, Amen's got a long way to go improving his shooting, but he hasn't played nearly as much either. He has shown some great defensive skills so far. I also have a problem comparing shooting guards to centers. They are completely different types of players.
     
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    @Bobbythegreat :D
     
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    "How can a player be a bust if they have a lot of flashy highlights"

    - teenage casual fan
     
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