I don’t much care about Jalen exhibiting basketball IQ, I just want the kid to make more open shots. We have several players that can run the show and make the right reads. Jalen Green was drafted to be an elite play finisher. If he can’t do it, Udoka will find someone who can.
We have several players who can break set half court point of attack defenses off the dribble? Who are they?
BBIQ is playing to one’s strengths and knowing limitations. Stay focused on your role and helping the team in your every movement. Helping the helper and fundamentals where you may not make the play but setting up your team mate to do so. The WNBA is very high IQ basketball vs raw athletic talent and size in the NBA.
BBall IQ is real, you can tell when you play those that have it and those who don't. Some of it is innate, just quicker thinking than others....and some can be learned through experience, but those that have it innately will always be ahead intellectually in the game. DD
Brooks has great feel for the game on both sides. Sengun while a good passing Center fouls often on defense and this signifies low IQ on that side of the ball. Cam has decent IQ? Considering he does not pass and tries to run through defenders in the paint instead of looking for plays to make he can’t be assessed as a high IQ player. But again this all depends on how people defend “IQ”. What does right look like? And what are you specifically looking for in each player offensively and defensively. Besides players at each position have different things they need to focus on. A 3-D player not necessarily has to be a playmaker. A Center doesn’t have to be a great passer. Until those parameters are defined and players are evaluated on this basis, any talk of “IQ” is quite subjective and open to interpretation not necessarily rooted in knowledge and facts.
Let's play a game of one-on-one and see who has the better bball IQ.... if you can find a few more and run 3-on-3 we'd be able to see what your true bball IQ looks like. Until then, I really don't think you have much say in the matter, especially when your take on what true competitive bball IQ looks like versus what these guys process game to game is more defined. I'll be in Austin until Friday, if you're down to find out.
I watch like 90% of the games in the season. The measurement is how much these players annoys me with dumb plays on a regular basis
No he did not. He was often in the wrong position last year guarding the wrong man like taking a low man when his guy was high. He has a tendency to let players get by him. He often has to recover and have gotten some nice blocks or stops that way. He also cheats the lane over extending and makes huge gambles and he got several steals in this manner. He may be good one day but he certainly wasn’t last year.
It’s easy to sit and judge what’s dumb or not dumb. Lots of factors go into it such as pressure of the moment. Fans. Defensive pressure. Focus. Stress. Panic. Or just quick decisions. Every player does it. The good ones just learned to minimize them.
Of course Under Silas system everybody was dumb. Still, unless they actually create a metric of how to measure BB IQ, it will always be about observation and judgment
Amen is good at what he does. But he has a limited offensive arsenal for a 2 or 1. What decisions would he make if he could shoot beyond 8 ft? We don’t really know. Just an interesting thought. Reed has shown he can make plays on the dribble drive. But he also has shown when he’s stopped he often panics and jacks up shots. Time will tell indeed.
Considering Reed hasn’t played one regular season NBA game he should not be put on this list. Unless you’re talking about IQ for what he did in his collegiate career.
Correct. He makes the right reads most of the time. He isn’t a great playmaker by any means but he has shown an ability to zip passes in the paint or short corner etc. Again this is about cognitive bias and hate not necessarily facts
That’s why doesn’t make much sense to not break down this list to positions. But again the whole discussion needs parameters on what good “IQ” is. How do you define “IQ”?
what do you mean by “break” ? if you mean score / create either for themselves or others .. I would say FVV and sengun demonstrated the ability this season. amen and Jabari have the physical tools to grow into that next year . Cam has the tools but I do worry about his handle . Aaron holiday also filled that role some last year , but I don’t have long term faith in him . I like Tate for it , but the shot needs to develop way more and plus his role is more of a finisher . I was disappointed in his season as one of his biggest fans . He had some good showings early on , but the health wasn’t there . I would still like to see a lineup with Tari , Tate , and Amen damn the spacing just to see what the D looks like . jalen has grown over the last year . I’m not fully sold . I already know the impact number you’ve been posting , so I don’t need to see it again . where do you think Jalen needs to grow ? I still think he needs to grow more on the defensive side … and shot selection .. and shooting consistency . I would like to see his playmaking develop more too . He’s shown flashes , but needs more to solidify a role as an all-star I think he’s probably our second best hope for a franchise player outside of Amen . Sengun I’m worried about his defense , shooting , and him coming back from injury . greens greatest blessing has been his health. amen is even more reliant on his physical tools , but they pop more that greens . green is looking more like a mercurial scorer off the bench than a steady starter . scoring agaisnt a set defense is still valuable , but much of the game is faster pace and spread nowadays . Green is still a bit small and for all of his “layup package” , he reliant on his 3 when putting up big scoring numbers . (I’m sure many players are ) a quick back of the envelope calculation … in games he scored 25 or more points in he shot a little over 40% from 3 . 108/269 (I’m not 100 percent confident .. I didn’t use sheets or anything ) that was a sample size of 27 games . If you want to break that down per game he made 4 threes a game while taking 9.96 . now his season averages are 2.5 3’s made and 7.5 attempted . This suggests that he actually knew he was hot and took more . This could be viewed as a positive thing . However , he didn’t score as much either . a slight problem is that despite there being better players on the team this year , that was not reflected in his personal offensive efficiency . Ts % , efg % , fg % .. however you wanna slice it , there is not much of a difference from this year to years past . imo he hasn’t shown enough to tailor a roster around him to try and maximize him (what type of center should he play with / spacing etc ) an encouraging trend is that his fg% from 0-3 ft went back up to .69 this year … very good . But his shooting from 3-10 and 10-16 went down compared to last year and his 3pt shot hasn’t improved . what is green going to play like in a few years ? What’s his style ? Does he need the ball in his hands ? His percentage of 2point shots assisted stayed the same year over year . year over year our teams assists went up 10% . His went down slightly per game . If he wasn’t getting assisted more than in the past and he wasn’t assisting more than in the past … then how is he fitting into our system ? and since I know you will make the argument of his offensive box plus minus … please go look at it from last year . Has it improved significantly? because his overall on-off numbers are still not pretty
Ya there is no one definition. If I were to give mine it would be similar to how people define IQ for QBs in football. "processing speed" basically. And how that processing speed is effected when you are under pressure like trying to maintain a live dribble with multiple defenders trying to get at the ball. While under that pressure can you still have awareness to know the movements of your teammates and have that awareness and how quickly you can process what is happening on the court.
Also considering Reed has not played one regular season game. Another thing is you can have all the IQ you want if you don’t have instincts or physical ability then it means nothing. There’s great YMCA pickup guys with good decision making but there’s a reason they are here playing against me and not the NBA.
